Good Does Not Mean True

Good Does Not Mean True | HOTM EPIPHANY: Episode 4 with Shawn McCraney

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(00:00) Dear friend, if you wanna feel better, don't let the devil make you toss this letter. If you've been crossed off by hoodoo, voodoo, or wizard over wizard. You got family trouble, man trouble, woman trouble, no life shows a problem. You're looking for a true friend, or true lover or if you were living under cover Well, I'm coming to your town to break it all down and help you with all of this I'm looking to help you find bliss one day, one way, can't miss I'm here to tear all the walls down Doesn't matter if it's a large town or a small town

(00:50) Just like Joshua and the fable girls of Jericho I'm here to tear down the institution But you must tell seven friends You must first bring seven friends And don't be selfish and keep this all to yourself And don't be selfish and keep this all to yourself and don't eat shelfless. Hate is trying to take someone else's love for yourself.

(01:09) But I'm here to tell you that love is trying to help someone else. You need to see me right away so I can fix this up. You need to see me right away. You need to see me right away so I can fix this You need to see me right about now And if you are suffering a straight sickness Or someone is blocking a call of your success You need to see me right away so I can fix this I'm sincerely yours in faith, love, and peace Your friend Archbishop Harold Holmes Hey guys, welcome to Heart of the Matter Epiphany

(02:02) I am Sean, this is Delaney. We are dad and daughter, and we speak to all things about the faith, trying to be fair, trying to bring peace and unity between all people of faith, including the LDS. But we kind of talk a lot about the LDS on this show. Yeah. Yeah. And you have for seven iterations of this show.

(02:24) This is the seventh called Epiphany, but Heart of the Matter. This is my first time being a part of it. This is his show and he's been doing it since 2006. And it's time for us to have another voice that kind of, we banter back and forth.

(02:43) She asks questions, I make comments and, uh, you know, I don't know if it, I don't know, but the other voice now is because we've started something called yeshuans together and you should go to yeshuans.faith to learn more about it um all are welcome to sign up but heart of the matter epiphany is a effort by yeshuans now that's right um on that note on that why don't we just start in with three points that we want to make clear.

(03:07) Three points. First, as Yeshuans, we want to reiterate that our position is that all people have been given life by God. All people are free to choose how we want to live and how we want to seek and worship him and that we are all individually responsible to him for our choices.

(03:35) We also want to reiterate that through the finished work of his only begotten son, Yeshua, all human beings have been reconciled to him and that we have all ostensibly been returned to a garden of eden spiritually that's how we refer to it and elect how to live our lives um we maintain that all human beings eat from both trees in that garden.

(04:07) That's what life is now in this reconciled state and from the once forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil or from the tree of life who we maintain is Christ alone. That's what the position of Yeshuans is. Yeah and we really want to make that clear. So clear. So with what Delaney just said, we are not a group that says Mormon people are going to hell, are evil, and don't know Christ or God any more than we would say Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostals, Hindus, Muslims. We don't make that claim because we believe in the fulfilled work of Christ, and by that we have all been, like she said, returned to the Garden, and we all, every

(04:51) human being has the Spirit of Christ in them to choose. Yeah, so we distinguish ourselves from Christians calling us ourselves yeshuans but a yeshuan is anyone who lives by that tree of life really and um that can be found in all different religions including mormonism but you come from mormonism you've taught and studied mormonism for your entire life and so now heart of the matter epiphany aims to articulate mormonism from this position for Mormons to help them more.

(05:30) In large part because we've seen that the other approaches to Mormonism have all been a fail. And they have been, I mean, the way you measure that by is by their success, their growth. The attacks on Mormonism have been a fail because of the growth of the LDS church. Is that what you're saying? I'm saying the LDS church proves that these attacks only serve to put a fire under them, their institution and their leaders and their people.

(06:00) So, but even more importantly, we agree as Jeshuans that there are many people who follow Christ as Latter-day Saints. Yeah. Yeah. So the past few episodes of Heart of Matter Epiphany have been a different approach to talking to the LDS and we're calling it studying the ark actually, because all of, how would you describe the different attacks on the lds church one is to just put it like burn it under flames which is never going to happen right one is uh like a humanist approach that how would you describe that you mean in terms of how they operate or how the world perceives

(06:46) them or just the different attacks on it like our quote-unquote attack on it right now is actually to help them it's actually to come to individual people in the lds church and strengthen their faith in such a way that they actually don't need the church really. That's kind of the tactic here. And if they choose to belong to it, they can because there's liberty.

(07:10) Yeah, just use it at your disposal. Like don't let it muddy the waters between you and God. Just go to God and use the Mormon church as you will. And we will wrap today's show up with 20 reasons why we do this toward the LDS so that their members, if they're interested, can see how and why other Christian denominations say they're not Christian.

(07:36) Okay. We'll do that. But if you want to believe those things, you know, we'll talk about that as we go. Okay. All right. believe those things, you know, we'll talk about that as we go. Okay. All right. And then secondly, just as kind of a, Delaney's going to show you a graphic, but a sober realization that can't be denied is that there is fruit from the tree of life.

(07:57) That's the model we stand for. And we say that fruit is Christ. It is the product, that fruit, faith in Christ, of the victorious spirit of Christ in all people. And everybody is therefore responsible if they want to seek it, choose it, live by it or not. It is not of this world.

(08:20) And that's something that's really hard for most people to understand. And it includes suffering of the soul and that is one of the distinctives of the Spirit of Christ in us is because it's always calling individuals to die to their own will ways mind emotions and live according to the Spirit of Christ which is selfless sacrificial and insufferable and it does not reward the Spirit of Christ with the things of this world.

(08:48) So when you eat from the tree of the Spirit of Christ, he doesn't make you rich. And he's not a materialist in his interaction with you. It's a spiritual thing. So that's the first realization we can't deny and then the second one is why don't you go through those and i'll uh talk about the specifics well so if there's the tree of the of knowledge of tree of life oh my gosh the tree of life then there's the tree of knowledge of good and evil so there's true there's fruit from the tree of knowledge of good.

(09:27) It's captured in the formulaic laws of Mormonism. They are about good and other institutions that thrive on law and order and fleshly regimentations to get to access good. It will bless you in this life more than the fruit of the tree of life in terms of family wealth health success culture order structure guidance training peace but it must be fully embraced and lived without deviation um uh to deviate from its formula provided by smith for example in the mormon church is to be in the power of the dark they say you're wielding satan by deviating from the good

(10:17) that it's true its fruit provides and i want to make this clear, something I believe you may not, I don't even know if Delaney believes this, but Joseph Smith pulled from the spirit of man within him and he concocted this system of religion. And then when people go to the temple, they swear to obey every covenant they make in the temple that day, because if they don't, they will be in Satan's power. Okay. Now I don't believe Satan exists anymore.

(10:53) He used to biblically, but he's been overcome by the victorious Christ. But I do believe that there are rewards for living as the Mormons say with exactness. They do, they pay their tithes. Exactly. They do the Sabbath day. They go to the temple. They obey all their temple covenants.

(11:12) And I believe that this world, not God, rewards them because it rewards them with the things of this world. That's why they have more wealth. And it's a system that works. But here's the catch. When a member deviates, the LDS can say, look, they've turned and they are now suffering the consequences from God for deviating. When all they really do is they're saying, I don't walk by this dark power anymore.

(11:36) And I'm not sure many people really understand that. No. So we haven't talked about the evil side, but the point is that there are two trees. There's life, which is completely spiritual. It doesn't make you rich, and it also doesn't make you poor. There's nothing about your material life that living by Christ in the tree of life is going to change.

(12:03) It's your heart. It's the way you see things. It's the way you interact with people. So the tree of knowledge of good and evil is a formula, like you're saying, a system that works on the flesh only and it's bound to produce results. And so it's really easy to be like if you don't exercise every day you're going to get fat right and that fat is satan like that's the mormon church gets to own the results of evil right just because it's like a predictable thing so therefore when you're a member of the church

(12:42) and somebody in your ward is going through a divorce, somebody in your ward is discovered as losing their job. There's two responses they have. They're either being tested by God because of their faithfulness or they're being cursed by God because they've broken their covenant. Yeah. Yeah. And the hardship they're going to go through is a punishment that they deserve.

(13:09) That's right. It's not like, it's truly insane. That's right. I think every system works this way. They do. Indirectly and directly. Yeah. Here's the other thing I want to bring out, which some people are obedient to the system with wealth and power and happiness. And they lose that when they turn from it and start questioning and walking from it.

(13:57) So you think there's like a spiritual dark spirit that's actually at play. It's not just a material uh i metaphysically believe that is how the corporation tapped into and then anointed itself it's a power because there is power in the blood as christians say and uh and in this life if it's not Christ's blood, that's perfect.

(14:27) It's human blood, it's sacrificial, and it's diabolical. So the rewards for something diabolical are gonna be of this world, wealth, power. And that's why people always say like, you know, that singer you like, the girl, Beyonce, like they are part of the cabal. Yeah. And they have tapped into the dark. And that's why P Diddy or whatever, they do all these horrible things as a means.

(14:54) That's why witches sacrifice children. Yeah. It's all in this cabal of darkness. And so I think there may have been something to that way back yeah and today the fruit of that continues to roll forward now a good latter-day saint who thinks they're just following jesus would be like you're so nuts that is but they don't really get all the nuances of the temple covenants yeah yeah slitting of the throat and all that okay yeah and just the vibe of salt lake city of utah there is a feeling and we've dealt with hundreds of people who've come to the state

(15:26) from out of state who've never been here and a good percent of them say there is something so dark in this place I don't know what it is well so to me I understand it and the graphic might portray this but um there's good and evil in that tree but that tree is darkness yeah it's death is yeah you don't articulate it this way and maybe i'm asking you like i see the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil as light and dark yeah that is what light and dark is good and evil are both realms of the dark because they lead to death right so there is

(16:07) dark uh power yeah and powers to be conjured right and they're in this realm though and they can serve to reward or they can serve to cause destruction yes but they both lead to death yeah because they're the value of them does not go to the heavenly realm yeah that's so really what you're saying is the power that like um i don't have an example for this like a cult leader that kills everyone with kool-aid or whatever is the dark side of the same power that like a Mormon prophet.

(16:47) That's right. Because they, neither of the false prophet killing people or the LDS false helping people is going to extend beyond this human realm. It's for this world. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And Beyonce. And Beyonce. So again, Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. And Beyonce. And Beyonce. Okay.

(17:06) So again, Delaney just read that the LDS system for it to work, cradle to grave. And every time you deviate from its path, it will be held against you just to let you know. For instance, if you commit adultery as an adult, married adult, you will never hold high position. Never. If you as a youth did all kinds of things, you will never move up into the hierarchical ranks of the...

(17:35) So those guys who are at the top, they have throughout every interview they've ever done, through their lives, lived the education they got, everything, they've done it according to the Mormon plan. It's bondage, but it has power. Okay. And it leads to death. And it always leads to death. Do you want to explain what that means, leading to death? The only way it could lead to life is by defining life as eternal.

(18:06) Because eternal life is true life. If life ends, then it's not good. It's not true. So the tree of life offers eternal life, which you're following. It goes with you beyond this place. But the tree of knowledge of good or evil, no matter which side you're getting from it, leads to death.

(18:31) That's why Yeshua said, don't put your treasures on earth. Put them in heaven. He says, don't put them on earth where moth and thieves and rust corrupts them. Build them in a different place. But these systems that come from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, their powers are here and now, and they build their treasures here and now.

(18:53) Mormons think that because it's good here, it's going to go with them there. And that is the biggest lie. Yeah. And just to keep it going, religion thinks that the good here is going to go with yes and it's just different kinds of what that good is is changes but so that's why we say a hindu or whatever could be living by the tree of life or they could be living by the tree of knowledge like it depends on how they're using religion right and how where they're putting their life and their heart and all that so and one final thing to to let you know

(19:31) about the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life is because of christ's victory second corinthians 5 and god has been reconciled to all of us everybody irrespective of our beliefs that we are now free to live by both we they used to have an economy that was only for the nation and they did all their government eating dressing everything according to that but now we as believers who eat from the tree of life, we still have to have jobs.

(20:04) And we get our knowledge of those jobs from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And so we are all deciding how much of which tree to eat from. Yeah. And that's also a personal decision. Yeah. That's, that is life. And like the challenge of like human nature and God and everything is that tension between which one you're eating from.

(20:28) That's right. That's the whole thing. And the key to it and the liberty in it is God says, all you got to do is have faith on my son. That's it. You can go and search out riches. You can build an empire here. It's not going to go with you. But if you have faith in my son, you're good with me. here. It's not going to go with you, but if you have faith in my son, you're good with me.

(20:52) It's got to be true faith from the heart, which leads to true love, but God allows that. So there's no question as to whether you should study economics in college or go to college. It's all fixed by him. Yeah. And that's where if you, there's the Aborigine case where if they don't know about Christ, but they, their heart disposition is toward the eternal or like life or love or like that is what we're saying is enough.

(21:17) That's right. That's faith. That's it. That's all God wants. Yeah. And so a Mormon can have that very easily. Fundamental Christians want to say, no, you got to have the right Jesus. You got to have all your facts right. wants yeah yeah and so a Mormon can have that yes very easily fundamental Christians want to say no you gotta have the right Jesus you got to have their all your facts right that is the biggest bunch of baloney I've ever heard mm-hmm okay finally there is fruit from the knowledge of evil fruit from the tree of

(21:40) knowledge of good and evil and it's produced in the same way That allegiance to the fruit and the knowledge of good is the Mormons give their allegiance to the knowledge of good. Okay dark forces give allegiance to their knowledge of evil and they have to go by the rules of evil So the even thieves have a system that they have to go by.

(22:08) So there are dark laws. It leads to control, depravity. There's a lot of luxury and opulence, meanness, mockery, self-centeredness. It also, like the tree of knowledge of good, leads to death because it only applies to this world. So here are the choices. One, eternal life through the victorious Christ alone, emblematic of eating from the tree of life.

(22:36) To what extent you do that, everybody decides for themselves. Death through the fruit of knowledge of good because the Mormon, the best Mormon on earth, dies that way trusting in his goodness, is going to be very surprised that their fruits in the material world meant nothing. And then death through the fruit of knowledge of evil.

(22:59) And another way to say this is, and here comes our next graphic. And this one should, I'm just going to work through it with you. I pick out these pictures because I figured out who their names were. Delaney doesn't know them, but I'm going to go through the knowledge of evil purveyors in this world who have operated by a knowledge of evil. And at the top one, far left side, you have Bakunin.

(23:26) And Bakunin was a Russian philosopher, atheist, and just pretty horrible. And there's millions of these people. And then there's the LA writer, I can't remember his name. Bukowski. What? Bukowski. Yeah, Bukowski. Bukowski? Yeah, Bukowski. Thank you. I do know that. Bukowski is vile. He's just a vile cretin of flesh and his own wisdom. And below him, we have the guy who designed the alien creature.

(23:57) You think just an artist is evil? You should see this guy's other work. It's really, really dark. If you look at the dead kennedy's album um christ frankenstein or whatever it's called uh that guy uh eiger geiger guy he has an insert in that it's just profane and then below him's carl marx And if you do any kind of study on Marx, it was a dark, miserable philosophy.

(24:27) Below him is a guy named H.P. Lovecraft. And he writes an atheist, a racist. And he writes some of the most amazing fiction on dark, otherworldly forces. And then below him is a guy named Gertrude Schiff, who's a false prophet. All of that side is godless evil selfish they eat from the tree of knowledge of evil so let's go above and i'll point out the ones you don't know delaney let's talk about the knowledge of good that also leads to death that top one is mary baker no Ellen G White I'm sorry and she is the founder of Seventh Day Adventism now you want a good

(25:08) church that's just like Mormon and doing good it's right there they do wonderful things they have a health code they obey the Sabbath day good people they're my nicest neighbors yes all of that stuff Seventh Day Adventist there's founder. She wanted them to do good. Below her is, I can't remember. The second guys are always tripping me up.

(25:32) That guy. Oh, that's Swedenborg. Emanuel Swedenborg. And he was a philosopher of good and God and had all kinds of other worldly thoughts. And then below that, we have, of course, the Buddha. We don't have a picture of him. And then we have Charles Taz Russell. He's the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, another institution.

(26:01) If you talk to Jehovah's Witnesses, they think they're the only good people on the earth. They really do. It's a system of religion from the spirit of man, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Below that's Muhammad, who went into a cave and the angel Gabriel gave him a revelation and said, hey, look, here is the truth. Here it's in a book. And he brought it forward. What has it done? Good.

(26:22) In terms of, I'm not talking about Sharia law and fundamentalist Muslims, but I'm talking about taking a very wild people and bringing them into a law of God that helped organize them into good. And then finally you got Joseph Smith down there. He did the very same thing, but in different ways, Godly, good, selfless light.

(26:46) But here's the reality. I'm just going to read the top. Faith alone that leads to life. None of those other categories lead to life. Just Christ. Faith on him. No intermediaries. No idols. No religion, nothing else. And what do those idols and intermediaries include, Delaney? Not any person, not any religion, no rights, no prophets, no Bible, no prayers, no giving, no serving, no mediation, no art, no government, no knowledge, no education, no books, no revelations, no status, no suffering, wisdom or fame, no fortune, no imagination or success, no idols, no miracles, no materials.

(27:51) Only. Oh, a heart of faith in God through the spirit of Christ, proven by agape love. And that's it. Period. That's it. That's the Yeshua message. Because he's in all of us by his spirit of the risen Lord, we all are free, as Jeremiah says, to choose him. This middle column is all about you got to let the church, you got to let the church insert itself between you and God.

(28:17) That's a lie. And so the yes to him stance is you don't need that. And that's why we include anybody. Now, if you go down below that, if you see the big black arrow that leads to the world, nothing above is entirely good or evil. These things are all of this world. And that's why we put the yin and yang sign there.

(28:36) Because Mormonism, which eats from the tree of good, does things evil. Okay. And you can have hell's angels give a lot of money to charity. Dark or light, none of them are entirely dark. None of them are entirely light because they're all from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and are therefore defective. Yeah.

(29:00) Not the dark and light thing. They're all dark. At all of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, there's one fruit of it, and it's death. It's death, right. And that's dark. That's dark, yeah. Yeah. Strictly speaking, you're absolutely right. Yeah. But in this world? In this world, they have good and evil results.

(29:21) Right. Consequences. That seems like the way to talk about it we get good and evil and dark and light i think confused but the fruit that you have one fruit of a tree the fruit of that tree is death it doesn't carry on that's what it that means which makes it dark right so you're right correct it's absolutely correct you're speaking of from a literal uh uh sense between god and man and what it really does lead to with respect to god right anything going for coming from that tree is not of him because it's not going to keep going right is that right right but the only reason i qualify it is is

(30:06) some as good is in this world because oh yeah i can argue against the good that institutions uh in the middle yes it's good in this world and this world is death right that's the thing right so it's just like apple yes it's just like Apple computer, people would say, is good. Yeah. It does nothing for you when you die.

(30:29) Yeah, right. Okay. Is that, yeah. Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. This is like a clarifying. Now, here's the reason why Christ alone without any intermediaries is essential and why we went to the Mormon church and said, we want to tell you what you need to fix your sinking ship or your shaking ship and steady the ark.

(30:55) Only God in Christ alone was entirely good. And therefore he is the only access to God, whether you know him ontologically or epistemologically, meaning whether you know he was, you know, of Nazareth and did miracles, or whether just him in your heart leads you to faith and love. It's the same in this day and age. Yeah. Okay.

(31:17) So we wanted to make those things clear to you before we get to our LDS viewers who might be watching and explain to them why we absolutely reject the idea that Mormonism is Christian. Is true. It's not true. And I want you to, your scholars and your apologists, to respond to this next series of graphics. Okay.

(31:50) So the LDS teaching that Joseph Smith saw God needs to be replaced with... No man has seen God at any time. Yeshua said this, the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him. So automatically you have to decide, do I trust what Yeshua Jesus said in the Bible, or do I trust what Joseph Smith said, saying he saw God? Now the Mormons use the Bible and say, yeah, but it says Moses saw God. Look it. You know, there's reasons and answers for all that.

(32:28) Yeshua said. Paul says God's invisible. Yeshua said nobody has seen, no man has seen God. So you get to decide. Next one. God, quote, God has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's. So this came about from your founder saying he went out into the woods. And of course, this came out through like nine different variations of the story over time.

(32:55) First, he just said, I saw God. That was that period. Then he saw God and his son. And right. But look at your founder said that God has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man. That means God has a penis. God has armpits. God that we who created us, who Christ is no one seen. Not my God. Not my God. Your God. Sorry. This is your doctrine from your founder, says he has a body.

(33:30) Jesus said in John 4, 24, God is a spirit. And they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. All right. All right. The LDS teaching that all human beings came from a pre-mortal existence needs to be replaced with what? Okay.

(33:52) So I just want to say Swedenborg taught what Smith used here and Swedenborg came before Smith. Okay. Plato taught what Smith said that we all came from a pre-mortal existence. Okay. And Walt Whitman cites that we all came in trailing clouds of glory. It's a very kind of humanist point of view that's been around a long time. Smith was not original to this. But he created in his mythos that we all came from a preexistent state.

(34:18) Even so much that we were families there. To add to it. That we all decided who we wanted to be with and we would come down and be and all this mythos all right let's let me just read to you three scriptures first one and he said to them yeshua said this you are from beneath i am from above you are of this world i am not of this world you know what that? It means he was saying what all people say at funerals.

(34:49) Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. That's where you came from. That's what you are. Joseph Smith's premortal existence teaching is in contradiction to that. Romans 9 11 where Paul says speaking of children for the children being not yet born neither having done any good or evil now the neither you could say having not been born that these particular children did not do good or evil but I think he what he's saying there is because they haven't been born they've never had the chance to do good or evil. The Mormons teach we were doing good and evil in the premortal existence. I see.

(35:30) Okay. And then first Corinthians 15, uh, 46, Paul says, how be it that which was not, that was not first, which is spiritual. The Mormons say we were first spirits. And then we came and took on material bodies in part of Smith's plan of salvation. But he says that which was first is not spiritual, but that is natural. And afterward, that which is spiritual.

(35:55) So we're born into the world, natural beings, and then afterward become spiritual beings if we want. All right. The LDS teaching that all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel needs to be replaced with what? Okay. So the LDS say we believe, and they add this, through the atonement of Christ.

(36:20) I didn't put that there. Okay. So they'll include Jesus' work here. Okay. That all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel. Okay. So right back on your back and my back. Yeah. Are obedience to laws. This is the bondage they're in. I don't understand what Christ did in the Mormon church.

(36:42) Right. All right. Galatians 2.21. I do not frustrate the grace of God, for if righteousness comes by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. That goes right to Delaney's comment. I don't understand what Jesus did. Paul says it right there. And then in Colossians 2.14, it says that Christ blotting out the handwriting of ordinances.

(37:11) That's what Mormons do. Ordinances that were against us, which were contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. So the law was nailed. All the law was nailed to his cross. So the law was nailed, all the law was nailed to the cross.

(37:34) Joseph Smith brought it right back up and instituted it to form his religion of good. And the people are in bondage because of it, all right? All right, the LDS teaching that we have laws. And then i'll cite any kind of law like when we went into the bishop i said i'm not going to obey this law he said laws are important in the in the faith and i i had to bite my tongue to keep from trying to try to come back at him romans 3 20 therefore paul concludes Paul concludes, by the deeds of the law, obeying the Sabbath, tithe, following the prophet, there shall no flesh be justified in God's sight.

(38:18) For by the law is the knowledge of sin. So you got an organization that lives by laws, laws, laws, laws. And guess what they are all doing? They feel guilty when they don't follow them so they're under that bondage they lie if they break them because they don't want to be put under scrutiny or they just make up their own laws and think god is happy with them because there's no way anybody can keep all the ones the mormons put on them you guys are in bondage you want to be in bondage? Fine. You want what the church gives you in this life? Have at it. We don't care. It's your choice,

(38:51) but don't ever think you're Christian. Okay. All right. The LDS teaching that a Sabbath day must be observed. Yeah. And here living here for 20 years now, the Sabbath day is a freaking running joke to me. As I see guys in their white shirts and ties and dresses going into restaurants, going into stores. Here's the thing.

(39:21) The scripture says, if you are going to be justified by the law, you got to keep all of it perfectly or else you have lost your justification. That's why we look to Christ because he did. They think they can break these things willy-nilly. And, you know, so just listen to what the scripture says. For the son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath day. Yeshua said, come to me, I'll give you rest. No more Sabbath day. But they reimposed it and they removed Yeshua as the rest that members could have. And come unto me, all you labor and heavy laden, I will give you rest. And then Colossians 2, 16, let no man, therefore, Paul says, judge you.

(40:00) In what you eat, what you drink, or in respect of any holy day, Orthodox Christians, or of a new moon, or of the Sabbath days. You can't be judged by that. We're dead to that, is what Paul said. Smith? Mormons? Oh, no, no, no, no. All right. Okay, the LDS teaching that genealogies matter needs to be replaced with what? Okay, so they have repurposed, Smith repurposed genealogies.

(40:29) For them, it was to know who could officiate in the temple, the Jews. Smith was that you could do vicarious works in the temple for your dead relatives. Talk about bondage. You not only have to live for yourself here, you've got to save your dead relatives by doing Mormon work for them. And you pay to do it.

(40:51) That is really insane. Isn't it a perfect business model of religion? It's insidious. It's insidious. I just cannot believe so many good meaning people are in that thing still. Okay. And listen to what it says. What Paul says about gene people are in that thing still. Okay. And listen to what it says, what Paul says about genealogies in 1 Timothy 1.4.

(41:09) Don't give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions rather than godly edifying, which is in faith. Wow. Yeah. Okay. LDS teaching that we are high priests needs to be replaced with what? I was called a high priest. Me, biggest jackass on earth was called a high priest. And I thought, oh, wow, that's right.

(41:36) Listen, the writer of Hebrews says, for he testifies, speaking of Christ only, thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. And here's the other thing. The LDS don't read the book of Hebrews or study it. If you want to know what the falseness of your authority in religion is, read Hebrews.

(41:59) But bottom line, later that writer of Hebrews will say, listen, the priesthood Christ has from Melchizedek is not transferable. That means one man cannot give it to another. Smith said that it's transferred by the laying on of hands, and it's a big, big joke. There's one high priest. There's one and one only, Christ.

(42:22) The LDS teaching that we have apostles needs to be replaced with... I just want to say, because we showed in that earlier graphic that Christ is the end of everything, not prophets. We could have put apostles there. Just listen to what the writer says in Hebrews 3.1.

(42:39) Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest of our profession, Christ Jesus. Not one of those yokels up on North Temple. Christ was sent. He was the apostle, the last of them of all things, and he did it. Okay. The LDS teaching that we have a prophet needs to be replaced with Hebrews 1.

(43:06) 1. It's so amazing how people who are LDS just overlook this where he says in many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets but however in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son whom He appointed the heir of all things through whom He also created the world. In these last days, the writer of Hebrews says, 2,000 years ago, in these last days, God has spoken to us by His Son. There's no need for prophets. The missionaries go door to door.

(43:42) Do you think God loves us like He loved the people in the Old Testament? I guess. Wouldn't he have prophets that would teach us the same way? I guess he would. We're the only church on earth that has a living prophet. It's such a scam. That logic of wouldn't God do X, Y, and Z if like every single person has their own version of that.

(44:03) It's a parlor trick. All right. The LDS teaching that to be a worthy person, you must abstain from alcohol, tobacco, and coffee needs to be replaced with, not THC, by the way. Not THC. Thank you, Jesus. But Mark 7, 17, Christ himself said, in a day when what they ate was really important, do you not perceive that whatsoever thing from without, outside of you, entereth into a man, it cannot defile him.

(44:40) Christ, of course, was talking about the soul. If you drink or eat something, coffee, tea, THC, alcohol, it cannot defile you. Your mind might go crazy with thoughts and stuff, but it cannot defile your heart. That substance can't hurt. hurt you is what Christ was trying to say.

(45:06) That's why he said, I came eating and drinking and you called me a glutton and a wine bibber. You know, this is the Messiah we had, not some teetotaling abstaining from everything, a savior, Latter-day Saints. All right. All right. The LDS teaching that we have temples needs to be replaced with what? the LDS teaching that we have temples needs to be replaced with what? First of all, there was one temple mount for the nation of Israel, Mount Moriah. It's the only temple mount.

(45:33) It's still the only temple mount. Okay. There's not a bunch of them. So we're talking about, they want to say that they have a temple that replicates the Old Testament temple? That right off the bat is an absolute lie. Secondly, what they did in their temples back in the old day has nothing to do with Joseph Smith's reappropriation of temples now.

(45:58) And here are three passages to consider when it comes to temples that the LDS have put up in Smith's name. Mark 14, 58, we heard him say, these are accusers of Jesus. I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands. Well, he may have alluded to that, but he wasn't, he was speaking of his own body then, and he was also speaking of the heavenly temple above. Next, Acts 7, 48, LDS, listen to this.

(46:29) How be it the Most High dwells not in temples made with hands, as saith the prophet. He doesn't dwell in them. Outside the Mormon temples, it says house of the Lord. He does not dwell in temples made with hands. And then finally, Acts 17.24, God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made with hands.

(46:52) What more do you want? Who are you going to believe? These guys who are extracting money from you and obedience and bondage? All right. All right. The LDS teaching that we enter through the veil of our temples needs to be replaced with... Mark 15, 38, when Christ died on the cross, we read, And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom.

(47:18) What did that signify? Hebrews 10, 19 through 22 says, Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest, because the veil of the temple separated the holiest place from the Jews. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which he has consecrated for us, listen, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh.

(47:48) Where the Jews had a veil they put up between the holy place and the outside place, Christ's flesh became that veil wherein we now enter into the heavenly place by faith on him. That's what it says. And having a high priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart and full assurance of faith. Having a heart sprinkled with an evil concert from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

(48:14) Talking to the Jews of that day. All right. The LDS teaching that there are many laws and commandments that men must follow. Yeah. Need to be replaced with what harkens back to their ad nauseum lists of rules and things to follow in order to be right within the church and receive the blessings of the temple right all sorts of laws and covenants and commandments john 3 23 an apostle of christ said it so simply, and this is his commandment, that we should believe on the name of the Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another as he gave commandment.

(48:53) That's it. That's why, Yeshuans, we say faith and love. Faith and love are the commandments. There's nothing else. Right? All right. are the commandments. There's nothing else, right? All right.

(49:13) The LDS teaching that we are intermediaries between God and man needs to be replaced with what? The LDS church says you got to go to your bishop who has authority. You got to go to your stake president, the prophet, the apostles. They have authority, a priesthood authority, a false priesthood, but they say that. And I just want to tell you what God said would be the case once his son fulfilled his mission on earth.

(49:30) He said, but this shall be the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, the house of Israel being all people who by faith believe on his son. That's true Israel. He says, they shall all know me from the least of them to the greatest of them, saith the Lord, for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more.

(50:09) That's the age we live in now because of Christ's finished work. And if you want to keep putting in laws and things to get between us and God, you're doing something God never intended. Trust the Bible. Trust Mormons. Leaders. Okay. The LDS teaching that we are latter-day Saints needs to be replaced with what? All right.

(50:40) So Joseph Smith, he names the church the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, which a strong emphasis on the apocalyptic return of Christ and the Mormon church to ready the earth materially for his material reign here. Okay, that was the setting of the creation of the church. Listen to what Peter said standing above 3,000 people on the day of Pentecost. And they said, you guys must be drunk.

(51:08) And he says, look it, we're not drunk. It's the third hour of the morning, he says. But this is that. What you're witnessing, my 3,000 brothers, this is that spoken of by the prophet Joel. Ready? And it shall come to pass in the last days. That was said at the day of Pentecost 2,000 years ago. Mormons call themselves latter-day saints.

(51:38) Latter-days was then, okay? In the last days, I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, and their young men shall see flesh, and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, and their young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. And on my servant and on my handmaidens I will pour out those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy, and I will show wonders in heaven above and signs in the earth beneath, blood and fire and vapor of smoke.

(51:59) The sun shall be turned to darkness, the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord comes, and it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord would be saved." That is a direct quote from Joel, Old Testament, to that time 2,000 years ago by Peter in their day, with a promise that they were in the last days, and all those signs of smoke and fire and blood moons would happen then to them latter day faints can i ask yeah what is a saint today a saint to me is somebody who walks by faith and

(52:37) loves okay yeah anyone anybody okay yeah the lDS teaching that the kingdom of God is material and must war against evil. And this one is shared with evangelicals. So they're in the same camp. So let's look at Yeshua and what he said in John 18, 36. My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight.

(53:03) I remember getting calls from people saying, you gotta help us sign Prop 8 in California. You gotta do this, all this stuff, fight, fight, fight. We gotta go and protest against abortion clinics and gay pride parades. We gotta fight. He says, my kingdom's not of this world. If it was, my servants would fight that I should not be delivered to the Jews.

(53:23) That's the context of it admittedly, But now is my kingdom not from here. And then Hebrews 12, 26, 29. Listen to this so carefully because it is so meaningful in terms of where we're at. It says, his voice then shook the earth, talking about when it shook Sinai, when Moses was there. But now he has promised in that day, yet once more, once more, I will shake not only the earth, but also the heavens.

(54:05) Shaken as of what has been made by men. Temples, chapels, priesthoods, dietary laws. Shaken in order that what cannot be shaken may remain. What can't be shaken? He who is in us. Anything external of us in this material world can be shaken. The Mormon church has been shaken. The tree of life. Yeah. That's all that can't be shaken.

(54:31) That's all that can't be shaken. Christ cannot be shaken. Everything else in this world can. So it's right there. He says, I shook everything. So the only thing left that cannot be shaken, he says, therefore, let's be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken.

(54:45) He says, therefore, let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship with reverence and offer our God as a consuming fire. Okay. The LDS teaching that money and materialism are indications of God's favor. You could add health and beauty and a lot of good families. Materialism. All the things of this world that their system provides them.

(55:11) And they say it's proof that we are gods. Listen to what John said. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh. That means you Mormon men who are out there lusting after, you know, bigger houses. You Mormon women who want nicer cars. Lust of the flesh.

(55:25) That means you Mormon men who are out there lusting after, you know, bigger houses, you Mormon women who want nicer cars, lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes. When you, you know, oh, I want that. I want that. Ooh, that's nice. That's beautiful. That's good. And the pride of life, the pride of life, you ask yourselves if you're leaders and if you're a bishops and stake presidents and people in the church have pride because it says the pride is not of the father, not of the father, but is of this world. It comes from that other fruit, which leads to death. Two more. The LDS teaching that

(55:59) tithes are of God and commanded needs to be replaced with what? All right. And listen carefully. Paul said this simply. This I say, he who sows sparingly will reap also sparingly. It's just like if you're stingy, you'll reap in stinginess. And he which sows bountifully shall reap bountifully.

(56:31) But every man according as he or she purposes in their heart, so let them give, not grudgingly nor of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver. To obey a law that says you must give 10% of your income in order to please God and be blessed is just a system of a down. It's of this world, right? And he wants us to be able to freely give, if inclined, and cheerfully to people.

(57:06) So that whole system of tithes, which the Christians manipulate and use just as badly, is defunct. Debunked. Okay, last one. The LDS teaching that Yeshua, Jesus, is coming back in the future needs to be replaced with water. And I'm going to read a select six verses here, I think. Christians too. To Christians, to every single person who says Jesus is coming back to get us.

(57:37) And they've been saying it for 2000 years. And it's what the Mormon church is founded on, right? Matthew 24, 34, the apostles come to Jesus and say, tell me when are you coming? And he gives them all kinds of signs. And then at verse 34, he says, verily I say unto you, this generation, Jenea, will not pass till all these things be fulfilled.

(57:58) He told them, four apostles, to be watching. Look, watch, do this, do that. He didn't tell the world. They asked him the question and he said, and all of it will be filled within a 40 year span of time. I can't get over that one. Yeah.

(58:21) And people get around it by saying, well, generation means all Jews will not pass until these things are fulfilled. And it's the only time in scripture where they prefer to use Jenea and their translation of it to apply to all Jews and to that specific time. Yeah, the only time. So don't use that as an excuse, you people. And then Matthew 16, 28, Jesus says, barely I say unto you, there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.

(58:50) He said it to them then. And then 1 Peter 4, 7, Peter says, The end of all things is at hand. Tacos, it's within reach in that day. All things. Be ye therefore sober and watch unto prayer. What did he mean? Everything that had to do with the former material economy that can be shaken is about to end.

(59:15) That's what he meant, not the end of the world. And then Revelation 3.11 says, Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keeps the sayings of the prophecy of this book. That word quickly can't mean anything but really really soon to the church there and then revelation ends in 22 at verse 12 behold I come quickly my reward is with the giver men according to his work and then 22 20 he which testifies these things says surely I come quickly. And John writes, amen, even so come Lord Yeshua.

(59:46) In that day to those seven churches and Christians and Mormons alike are praying on people saying, get ready for his return. It's not happening. Any thoughts after that exercise? size. No, it's so clear. Good. It's so clear. I hope that if you're LDS and you're questioning the church, you send this to your apologists, you send this to farms, you send it to your BYU foundations and all

(1:00:17) your... What's that Bible scholar's name that we've been reading about? Dan McClellan. What's his name? Dan McClellan. Dan McClellan. I'd like to hear you explain these things away, Dan, because you are LDS and you kind of play a game where you are talking like you're a biblical scholar, but you also support Mormonism. Yeah. I want to hear you.

(1:00:37) In fact, we invite you to the show to freely converse with us about these simple little tiny, this doesn't even touch polygamy. That's blacks in the priesthood. It doesn't touch any of that stuff. This is, yeah. Straight by. This debunks Christianity too. Mormonism just in a more potent version, I guess.

(1:00:59) That's my forte, but you're right. And you cut your teeth on Christianity and you know. Well, it's just to say dan for instance if if you're lds or christian or whatever you are yeah we invite james white to come and just answer these questions but they won't do it they they have an agreement among themselves as verified by people coming back to us that they will not talk to us because it gives us credence.

(1:01:26) And they know they can't defend themselves. Not a scholar or apologist on earth can defend themselves from what we are saying. That's embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. They collectively have to agree to not talk to you. We have a case right now where Sarah has asked a guy who's a Calvinist, and he said, sure, and then he's backing off.

(1:01:51) So, you know, look, if you want the truth, then consider what we have to say about being a Yeshua. If you don't care about the truth, you like your life, you like your comfort, you like your beliefs, they make sense to you, stay at it the truth, you like your life, you like your comfort, you like your beliefs, they make sense to you, stay at it. We love you the same.

(1:02:10) And you're just going to be assessed by God for what your heart's contents was all about. And we'll go from there. All right. Thank you. Yeah, they're really great. Thank you. See you next week. I'm here on heart of the matter Outro Music Thanks for watching! you you you