May 3rd Yeshuan Fireside

LIVE CALL IN Fireside with Shawn and Delaney McCraney

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If you've had enough, just point at me. Okay. We're preparing for the tough callers today because it's been really crazy lately. But welcome. Hello, Delaney. Hello, my image is very grainy. I hope it's at... I'm fine. Um, those little curling hairs aren't intentional. I try to squish them with makeup. Nothing works.

Does it matter to you that you... Do you want to be online? Just want to share your screen? It makes me... Not out. Do you care? Yes. Um, hm, okay. Well, it's pretty gritty. Anyway. Hello everyone. Welcome. Hello. We are part of your zoo and this is the call hour where you can ask us all your questions. We call it an earthfire because we are ex-Mormons.

Uhm, you're not here. And we got you. Let's just share our screen today. What do you think about that? Delaney solves all kinds of problems here in the studio. Sorry guys. Please feel free to submit your questions. You can text or call. We have a few from the database of the forums on our app. We are updating the app.

We start today with us leadership program. We do in October a session on Sean the Baptist. Point. New books are coming out. We were supposed to have one this afternoon had a conversation with someone, but they canceled. Sarah Young arranged it for us. He wanted talking about the trinity.

He's a Calvinist, but at the last minute he dropped out, whatever occurs more often. I honestly think some apologists are getting wind of, he doesn't believe in the trinity. Let's tackle it, apostrophe, and then they watch some videos we do on the Trinity and they're like, I don't really know what to say here. Yeah, I don't know, I guess, I don't know what it is. Apostrophe, if you all have it, it can make me look so bad.

I would be itching to destroy me. Papi, EHM. Let's talk about becoming a champion. Sien's facial hair betrays his wild and free nature. Great. That's right, Jeffrey Day, Papi. Okay, Uhm, let's start with... A few questions from the agenda. The first one is from Matthew and there are a few from the forums. EHM.

And I want to make that a priority because we should have done it last week. We're sorry, Matthew. We missed this one. So firstly, if idealists believe that the revelation is allegorical, I imagine that Adam and Eve and the fall in the Garden of Eden could really be allegorical. I haven't listened to Genesis verse by verse yet.

Ehm, it feels a bit woolly, to a point. I find Moses and everything that came after, the whole story of Ede, a bit suspect. Do you have an opinion about that? Yeah, I mean, it just depends on how you interpret the so-called evidence, literal, allegorical, spiritual, or some combination thereof. I think there is room for everyone to see them as they are interpreted.

And I just can't stand something being absolutely literal or absolutely allegorical. H.M. So definitely scary. Yes, I understand that. E.H.M. let me get into the picture a little more. E.H.M. How is that? Good. E.H.M. I get that? Good. Um, I get that and I get Matthews. I read it myself too. Oh, someone's calling. I'm scared. Here we go again.

Afraid? Hey, you're live on TV. Oh, you might want to turn off your YouTube for a moment. Hey, we did a live TV show and people did this all day long. Yeah, I think you need millions of dollars to make a good show. Yes, you need screeners. Yes. Get their name, can call them back. It is an endless process. Okay, well EHM, okay. I understand that too, Matthew.

And it's hard to read. They call back. Sorry guys, this is hard. Hey, are you there? Yes. To hang. Hey, are you there? Hey, you're on the line. You are now live on the radio. It's okay. Sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. Uhm, she asked my questions and I had a few more that they talked about. Oh, is this Matthew? Yes. Oh, hey. Fine. Yes. Hey. Hey. So...

The other question I think... What I could use more explanation is about our fulfillment, you know. What kind of support is around us? I have a 15 year old son and he went to see some friends at church and we are going to a small. Church of God, let's just call it the church of God.

And um, they have it all criticized, like when he talked about the Trinity with Sean to a friend of his at church, and um, i think that guy looked up your videos and was like, yeah, that guy is crazy. You really shouldn't follow him. Quotation mark. But my 15-year-old son has been listening to these lessons with me in the car for a long time, from the first few lessons to even the one on leadership.

You know, he learned a lot from it. I started at some point with revelation and then went back to Genesis. So he picks up a lot of what I say and he wants to go out and really preach this message of fulfillment to his friends. You know, I can tell by the questions he asks, so... You know, I can tell by the questions he asks, so...

Outside of us and here, I don't really know if he has much to lean on other than what Jan says. Yes. Yeah, there's not much, Matthew. I mean, it's just that you can only quote scripture and historical sources, but you, your son, Delaney, me and anyone who teaches anything other than what has been traditionally handed down, those will have a hard time, they will end up in a conflict.

People have to be willing to listen and it becomes a strategy to share it. So, just let them believe what they want to believe and encourage them in the good things and then the door opens to like, hey, you know, I've heard this before. And I don't know, brother, I really don't know. I don't have any luck talking to people about this either.

But at the On the other hand, my father didn't think of these things himself, there are many people who do That's why there aren't any Other sources you can listen to so he doesn't feel like you're indoctrinating him with Sean McCraney or something like Adam Marshock, brother Kel, about the trinity. There is a lot of criticism of the Trinity, which is suppressed by mainstream Christianity, but that criticism is there. So...

Yeah, I don't know. But you are not alone. It's lonely for us. It's hard to share and... I'm sure it's even harder for a teenager because they don't know what they're doing at all. So... He doesn't know, you know. I've heard that part about the tenth probably six times, and he probably heard it four to six times.

And he, you know, that kind of thing, he's definitely misinterpreted, you know, when he sits in the pews and mumbles to his friends that tithes are for suckers are and things like that. EHM, it's certainly not being received the way we would have intended, but you know, I constantly pray that the Holy Spirit will grow that state in him.

Yes. I have seen many children in our small church. You know, there's probably about sixty people on a good day. And you know, it's a small village church, the church of god of prophecy. It is the church where we feel most at home when we go to church. I would say, if there's a way to fit in, but a lot of the younger kids, like the graduating class, you know, the ones that come after them and the ones that are a little older than them.

You know, the ones that come after them and the ones that are a little older than them. EHM, I've called before and left a message about the younger generation wondering why it is like this. Why don't we see people speaking in tongues anymore, like we used to in the church of God? And why do we no longer see those miracles that preachers proclaimed decades ago? Did they really happen? You know, it's something like that.

I don't know, it's weird. It's like they've been indoctrinated with traditions and it's really strange. Yes, that's it. And I think that most major uprisings, like any social movement, start among young people. So I love that God is pushing people like your son and his friends to ask these hard questions and not settle for an answer that doesn't make sense.

answer that makes no sense. I think it might be important to tell your son not to listen to anyone, including us, you know. Do you agree, Dad? That seems important to me. So that he is not influenced by his friends as much as by what he just does everything belongs. Ehm, I don't know. It's not easy. That is to say, he has been to church camps where he has listened to the preachers and ministers.

And he went to the church that we go to and he saw that pastor, you know, have a heart attack during his sermon. And he listens to Jean, you know, when he's in the car with me. It's like he takes everything and, you know, he sifts out the bullshit and chooses what makes the most sense. And then I think, okay, yes, I can agree with that.

That's what I see in him, that's what's happening in him, but it's almost like it's a misdirected energy. Yeah, it's really great that you're the kind of dad who lets him look in that direction, because this way the boy really learns to stand on his own two feet through that information. So, good job, Dad. Yes, thank you. A lot of that is thanks to me, his mother and him.

And he's, you know, that 15-year-old who has no filter. And... Why would he? God knows what comes out of his mouth. Oh, I know, I know. That's great, man. Keep it up. Point. Keep it up. Of. I am, I am. I am, I am. And? You know, the ideas and things I had were really good. But it's the execution of it, I think that's that preparation phase that you have to get ready for before you actually get started.

That's the hardest part, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, oh, thank God, brother, thank you so much for the call, with, oh yeah, okay, brother, good. Point. Okay, we'll talk again soon. Okay, bye, bye. Uhm, okay. That is difficult for me personally. Those children. In general, stuff like that, you know, he's crazy when they show him a movie.

It's a standard response to people being crazy and I get it. You know, there's a place for it, there's a certain spirit in humans that certain characters embody. And so I understand that I'm consciously trying to understand how I want people to respond to he's crazy, he's weird, look at him, that kind of thing. And so it plays a part in a bigger game between us, when they see me and here.

And then it all boils down to complete madness. But I mean, from the beginning, in ancient Greece, there was a man named Dioïns, and Dioïns walked around in a barrel. He lived in a pot, a ceramic pot, and he spat on the rich. His whole thing was I'm against culture. All your wealth means nothing. In the same spirit as Dioïns we have Elijah, who came and was a wild brat.

we Elijah, who came and was a wild bras. We have John the Baptist. We have other people like Leo Toltooi. He walked around like a vagabond. I'm in that spirit, I always am been like that. And so it's an insult to what's established and to say, you can up the pot. This doesn't work. So, and so, when people make such a change, it's okay that this is the normal reaction.

But it's wrong when the normal response is that they're crazy. You know they're just not willing to listen. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I mean, you can listen to anyone. This may be a bit of an exaggeration. Sorry. EHM, you can listen to anyone if they are willing to hear information. It says so much about them when they say that.

Uhm, we have a text here. Hey. them when they say so. Um, we have a text here. Hey. Why should we follow Paul's teachings? I have struggled with it because parts of Paul's story, meeting with the risen Christ are described by Jozef Smit. Only the words of Christ can do this sufficient to form a theology? This is an important point, also in social media discourse, that too much emphasis is placed on Paul.

But? My answer is, you don't have to follow Paul at all. EHM, if you follow the spirit of God and believe that God is love and that the spirit of God leads you to love, then in this day and age it doesn't even matter what Paul said. Paul said. But if you really want to understand what everything means and has meant in terms of God's ultimate victory, then it is essential to understand Paul's vision.

Okay, yeah, EHM. To get back to the conversation, the first eleven chapters of Genesis became not mentioned in literature before the Babylonian captivity. So you could say that they were mythical allegories that were created and adopted during that period. What do you think, Dad? No, I've never heard that. Jeff gave me information I wasn't aware of.

I didn't know they didn't show up until after or during the Babylonian captivity, because that was a long time ago, when Moses apparently wrote them. I was always taught that the entire Old Testament was available to the Jews when they went into exile. So that's one piece of information I've never heard.

EHM explains that in a bit more detail, Jeff, because he brought it up himself. I think that fact is an important basis for a more detailed explanation, Jeff, because he brought it up himself. I think that fact is an important basis for much of what he believes, Jeff. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure you told me that, Jeff.

He says, Matthew, in terms of religious beliefs I am basically Jewish, but... I largely agree with interpretations of views, even though we differ in opinion. He's not just crazy. Ehm, that was an addition. He just said learn, walk beside, follow no one, question everything. Amen. EHM, Tawa Rooster. Say things that I'm not going to read because I don't fully understand your point.

But let us know what your point is and we'll read it out to you. Robert Ridgway, can the words or phrases... Sorry, can the words or phrases or passages in the Bible that say... Saying that the word always refers to Yeshua, no matter where it is in the New Testament, always means Yeshua. No. Because that word that refers to him personally is logos or excuse me.

It is not logos, it is logos. And there are times when the word is, and in the Greek it's not logos, it's graffa, quotation mark. X is not logos, but graffa, quotation mark. Or it is rama, which is translated as the word in the King James Version. So rama and graffa are not Christ, they are written words.

So there is a subtle difference. I think you should be careful about claiming that the word automatically means God. Okay. EHM from our forums. John the Baptist said that Yeshua would be baptized, but by the Holy Spirit and by the fire with which. He was coming to baptize. I also see this as a prophetic word, meaning that the church will be called by the Holy Spirit.

Our flesh will no longer be baptized in the spirit into the heavenly realm. The remaining nation of Israel was slaughtered, culminating in the baptism of fire that destroyed the temple at that time. It didn't survive. No matter how hard churches and dead traditions try to defend, they will never rise again, for Yeshua has completed his work. I can agree with that interpretation. I see that baptism of fire in the sense of purification or destruction.

So who said that? That was Matthew. Yes, that's a good one. And he also said, is there anyone here in the group? Oh, he just asked this about the word. And? Then he asked about his son. So we covered that. Okay, on to the AI, unless someone in the chat has something. Where is the word only begotten used in the Bible? And is it appropriate to say that it means that the father took him out of the grave, so begot him, yes, that last part, yes, and that is confirmed by Paul in acts 3, about half past two in the afternoon, okay, as far as he is concerned, the only farmer's son, that is a reference to

old testament to the psalms i'm pretty sure and paul quotes it there is no other place where some farmers are used by Christ himself or by someone else. It's always after he gets up. Okay. Tawa has made his point. So I'm going to read the whole thing. And Moshe said, what is your name? And there's the name.

I can't pronounce it, but that's exactly what they want to say. It says, I will be what I will be, I am what I am. Apostrophe, and Kagavas said to Joshua less than 24 hours before his death, are you the Messiah, the son of God? He said, it is I, before Abraham was there I was. Then Joshua spoke to Kagavas.

The room became silent. He continued, I am the light in the vessel. They put on their clothes and said, the point is that sound matters. The name Joshua matters. A moment matters. Aloha was the name for Father God and all his prayers. The link between him and Yahweh. Aya Aya Esh Asher A is profound. He declared, I am the light in the vessel.

Moses said to the light on the mountain, What is your name? Apostrophe quotation mark. Yes, I see a lot of connections and he says he has more knowledge of Hebraeus than we do. But I generally agree with his point Period Okay, okay And Jeff, if you look at the pre-exilic Northern or Southern prophets, none of the famous names are mentioned Adam is only mentioned in Genesis and Chronicles Oh, Adam But Noah in Genesis, Judo, Isa.

Ezegel. The same goes for Cain, Abel, Zed, Enoch and all these people were unknown to the Israelite before the exile. I was... I was completely unaware of that. Stay tuned for that learn more, Jeff. Medicine is Tawa. Thanks, Medicine. EHM. Wait a minute, is that Medicine? With a smiley face, I'm not sure if it's that Medicine one.

Let us know if it is that Medicine. You know who you are. Uhm, okay. In your book of Revelation you called that Hebrews 9 verse 28. Says, and to those who wait for him, he will appear the second time. Which Bible translation does that specific text come from? I'm having a hard time finding him. Um, it's in the King James translation. Okay.

I'm pretty sure unless I... I sometimes mix up translations, but most of the time I quote from the King James translation. She added a smiley, so it's her translation. Hello your friend Madison. Hello Madison. What verse says that those who wait for him will see him? That helps justify the statement in revelation 17 that he will not literally meet everyone's eye.

Well now in Revelation 1 the angel of the Lord says, and all who pierced him will see him. Right? And all who pierced him will see him. Right? And all who pierced him will see him. And the word all, there, those who pierced him, must be qualified by the statement in Hebrews, where it says, all who wait for him will see him.

Because if you take just the one that everyone would see piercing him, then that would mean that everyone saw his return at that moment. And if that were the case, we'd have a lot of witnesses claiming to have seen him, but which were not taken. But the note in the scripture is that anyone who looked for him would see him, and therefore it helps us to understand why there were some who did not see him, but remained.

Do you understand that? Okay. I wanted to come back to that, but very quickly. Leper Messiah says he bought revelation on April 1st. April 1, that was a month ago. He hasn't received it yet. And let me tell you, I literally found that email this morning. He was hidden somewhere. And I'm so sorry. That's precisely the problem.

We ask people to order books and then we just don't send them. I'm really sorry. I'll send it first thing in the morning. EHM. And we will also send you extra books for free as compensation. Yes, sorry, my last messiah. It ended up in the wrong folder in my email. I haven't seen it. EHM. Okay. Ter T, how would you say that? Tai unreal.

EHM, hey guys, I hope you're all well goes. I've never commented here before, but I want to thank you and Earl Eurskin for that you have shown me the truth about the LDS Church. I'll keep reading that, but we have an unknown. Shall we accept it? Why not? Let's be adventurous. Hey, you're live. Hi Sean, no delay. This is Jefferson. Hello Jefferson.

Sean, I have a question for you about Genesis chapter 6. If you are familiar with the sons of God and the Nephilim. Oh God, you're killing me, Smalls. You're killing me now too, Jefferson. Well, go ahead. I'm just curious about your thoughts on it. Well, Jefferson, we have 66 books of a Bible that we can barely decipher.

We are still trying to figure out what God is like. We try to understand what faith really is. We try to understand esotology. And you want to talk about one of the most obscure verses in the entire Bible, the precise meaning of which is being debated in so many corners. That's what I mean, brother. Good. Point.

Well, let me ask you this, about the non-denominational book of Enoch, which is of course used in the Ethiopian Orthodox tradition. Yes. Are you familiar with the book of Enoch and the story of walking with God, for he was no more, for God took him? Yes, I am familiar with the lyrics, yes. Well, what's your opinion about it? I mean, I don't care. It fascinates me. Yes, it's a fascinating point, but I don't care about the faith because there are people who believe in it.

They can. There are people who read it, study it and apply it. They can. There are people who reject it. They can. We have people who don't even read the Bible, yet God says they can be his children. I just don't care about the details. while God says they can be his children. I just don't care about the details.

I am not interested in providing answers to questions that we can discuss endlessly. Points of Curiosity I know it's fun to talk about it, but I just don't care about it at all. I don't care if the flood was global or geographical. I don't care if the snake was a snake or a monkey. I don't care whether creation took place in six days or six thousand years. I'm concerned about the...

Jean, Jean, yes, Jean, yes, go ahead. What do you care about? What do you care about? I'm concerned about... Faith in God and love, that's all I care about. Promoting faith in God... God and love. Okay. Yes, period. That's it, brother. And it's not that I disapprove of people who talk about deeper things, and I like it, but essentially, in all the years I've been doing this, I've learned that this kind of thing is like polishing the Titanic.

The ship is sinking. The ship is sinking Let's stop polishing the frills as we sink and let's try to save people from the icy waters of disbelief and selfishness Well, it seems to me that you had a much larger audience when you talked about the fascinating points Exactly, exactly, Jefferson nonsense.

Yes, that, no, exactly. And so you can see what the masses want. They want excitement. They want circus. They want bread. They want entertainment and discussion, but they don't want the fruit of the word. She do not want the bread of life and the living water. They want sweets. And when the appeal of the candy wears off, they want more.

We are not concerned with viewing figures and popularity. We are all about reaching people with what really helps them. Nephilim and those other ants. Why not? Go ahead. Then why not, you know, have something to offer your audience? Just say, give the dog some meat and talk about faith and love in the meantime, because I mean, I don't know.

I mean, I used to watch you. You know, it used to be on the local channel or something, but now I see you and I don't know. I came across your channel looking for something and here you're just talking about peace and love, but yeah. Point. Peace and love, brother. You're talking about gold records and all that stuff.

Yeah, well, you know what? Fascinating. We just don't want to cater to itchy ears that aren't satisfied with the basics. You know, we already did that. We know what it's all about, brother. And you know it's boring for you. We know what it's all about, brother. And you know it's boring for you. There are 10 billion voices that can tell you all about the most exciting things in the world.

We seek to teach that Christ has won the victory. Let us approach God in love and try to live that way. That is our core message and it is not intended to entertain, gain ratings or be exciting. In addition, he shows Lee at least three or two times a week on another channel with very substantive programs.

You're just asking for cotton candy. He provides content. It's not just about peace and love. And even if we did, we can't, right? So that seems a bit more difficult than just peace and love.

And even if we did, we can't, right? So that seems a little harder than just peace and love, you know? Well, it's peace and love, but he seems to be getting excited about it. And that's an interesting contrast. So... There's nothing wrong with peace and love, Sean. No, nothing at all. Hey, no, wait a minute. No, wait a minute. There is nothing don't miss out on being enthusiastic about preaching faith, peace and love. That doesn't mean we don't love. It just means that we are excited about the sincerity of the message for the world.

That has been lost. It is no longer there. There is no faith and love anywhere. And it's so disheartening to see the faith being trampled by people who say we should repeal the 19th Amendment for God's sake. It's just something that... You said the nineteenth. I'm not familiar with that. I know the thirteenth is about slavery.

And which amendment is the nineteenth? She was wrong. It is the third nineteenth amendment. That is the amendment that gives women the right to vote. It doesn't really matter. I just wanted to say that you called and said our content is boring and we're great. That's what... I didn't say. I said I didn't say I'm stupid.

I didn't say that at all. Well, you kind of said that in the end. Let's talk about something I find interesting. Brother, you actually did a little bit of that. You said I used to talk about gold records and interesting things and we had a bigger audience then. But now you listen and all you hear us talk about is faith and love.

And you come in and you want to talk about the nefvillim. My god, man, there's so much to talk about. Tell me where I'm wrong, Sean. Tell me where I'm wrong. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. What I want to talk about. You're not wrong. You have the right to call in and talk about whatever you want. But we're going to let you know what we think, because that's how people learn that when someone starts with a question like about the nephilim, they think they already know everything because it is one of the most

esoteric topics. That's why I'm calling you. Why talk about it? We can't really discover what's really, really, really is interesting about. Well, you know, we are here to help people learn it know, not to be entertained. And that brings us back to our point. It's not that you're wrong. We know that many people are interested in this. We're not saying you're bad or wrong.

We just say that we think there are more important things to talk about and we will tell us because we care about your growth. If you've ever watched Heart of Team Matter for entertainment, then you did it for the wrong reason. Heart of Team Matter is constant and persistent encouragement to learn. And you learn something and you move on. And you learn something and you move on.

Sean, look, check out the archives of his content. He never goes back to anything. H.M. Why be the Mormon temples as they are? He explains. He continues. And we call that one researcher who presents his or her information, not someone who just entertains you. Own gain. Tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us, our audience.

What's his name again? Jefferson, Jefferson. Tell our audience why you believe. Tell our audience why you choose to selflessly love and serve others, even though you would rather not. Encourage people in their faith. Tell them why you love it so much Muslims like Jews and Christians.

Or do you tell them about your testimony? Let We would like to change this story. We'll do it, go ahead, we'd like to hear before you close. In 1984, on the banks of a river in Oklahoma, I was pulled from my home as a seven-year-old boy. And I saw light coming down and dancing on the water, and yet there was a greater vessel in the midst of the waves, reaching to the bottom.

And a being came out of one of these vessels and telepathically said to me okay, danzaan konicha ani seoan and he was the first of the baboons. There is currently a spaceship in orbit around the planet Saturn, which has been confirmed, among other things, by the Voyager spacecraft. It states that humanity's time on Earth is drastically limited. We face impending ecological collapse and impending societal decline.

And as a result, these baboons are very concerned about us. And that is why I have placed my faith and trust that Ukwatensen of the baboons will one day save us. And I pray for you, Jean, and I pray for you, Delaney. Brothers Okuwa Tansin. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is our next President of the United States.

Thank you very much. Here's Delaney. I have nothing to say about that. Yes. And Sarah said, this is boring. And I can confirm that. Ehm, let's not talk about it. Can anyone confirm if this sounds okay? Because Tad is having a hard time and Sarah says it will be okay. Um, this guy doesn't mean it. No, because no one takes anything we do seriously.

Okay, Jeff's calling. Here we go. Jeff, welcome to the broadcast. Hello. I thought this was the perfect time to call so I wouldn't sound as crazy as usual. Thank you. That's great. Good choice. Nice timing. How are you doing? We are doing well. How are you, Jeff? Pretty good. Yeah, I don't know if that's what you wanted. I tried to write something in the chat, but the reason I talked about Genesis, the first part of Genesis, was in response to a Matthew, I believe, who asked if it should be taken literally or if it could also be considered an allegory.

And I think the data about its age and origins opens up the possibility of considering it as an allegory. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. In fact, I think that also ties in with what science would say about its origins. You've probably heard people say, are the stories in Genesis based on earlier stories of the Samrians, the Adians, or the Babylonians? You may have heard comparisons to Guild Games' epic.

Sargon of Akkad, the Upnashim and all those other stories. And I think there... One reason for this is that when the Jews or the Israelites like They would later be known to be in exile in Babylon, they were surrounded by people in that great city, that city of multiple cultures They listened, absorbed ideas and learned.

And I think those first eleven chapters of Genesis represent their attempt to recontextualize the stories they learned during their exile within the context of their understanding of their God. understanding of their God. And the proof for this is very simple. You can use any software program or do it by hand, but that would take forever.

However, if you are in one of the Biblical books looks at the prophets that came before and you look for all of these important names and terms, you will not find any. There are a few words that do occur, but they are not used in the same way. Similarly, Adam is the name of a city in the book Joshua and Cain is also the name of a city in the book of Noemerie.

But these important figures Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Enoch, Irit, Jabel, Jubel, Seth, Hanish, Canaan, Mahal, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah, Shem and Javed, none of these figures. Shem and Javet, none of these figures. Mentioned somewhere in pre-exilic writings except the book of Genesis. And in fact, most of these names are not even mentioned in the rest of the Torah.

My position is therefore that Genesis may have been the very last part of the Torah that was written. It was added as a kind of foreword to show how our people relate to the mythologies and origins of the rest of the world's peoples. And this is radically different. I realize that I grew up thinking that Genesis was the very first volume.

It sure seems like it. It is the beginning of the book and it is about creation. It seems... probably written by Moses or something, but that's not really true. If you look up other names, such as Abraham, Jacob, Israel, the patriarchs and the names of the tribes, you will see them everywhere. Yeah, so, you know, you and I are not saying this is 100% conclusive.

But you would think that people would mention or discuss things that were important to them somewhere in their literature, and none of these names appear. Oh well. Except mainly in chronicles, and that's because chronicles is a late summary that tries to summarize everything up to King David, and so it goes back and reviews all the books they already had and puts together the genealogy.

Anyway, yeah, what do you think? No, Joe, I think, first of all, if this information is correct, then I think your idea that Genesis 1 to 11 is allegorical is completely fine. I know, and even if it was a fabrication to give them an explanation of what they learned in captivity from the Gentiles, that's fine too. I don't know, I don't really care about that kind of thing. But what I'm saying is that your point about not mentioning other names while mentioning those specific names is correct.

mentioned while you mention those specific names, is correct. Those names became less important during the creation of the law when Moses brought the law to Sinai the names and genealogies became more important. And then there is something else, things become like the flood mentioned while the name Noah may not appear. So there are events that other writers of scripture refer to, but the names are missing.

Besides, I don't know how an Orthodox rabbi would explain what you're saying. Do they agree with you, Jeff, that the first five chapters of Genesis were allegorical and invented during the exile? Well, I think an Orthodox rabbi, in particular, would probably think it has multiple layers of meaning. Allegory would be part of their analysis, but they would be talking about the overall story.

is not consistent with scientific insights. On average, Orthodox are proponents of a young earth creationism, a very traditional one position. Okay, EHM, so just like, you know, just like an EHM. I don't know, just like Orthodox Christians. Yes, it would be about the same position. Okay, and also EHM, what I was going to say, oh, I don't remember.

I think that's great information is. I'm going to look up more about it because it gives me more food for thought, brother. So thank you very much. Don't mention it. I hope you have a nice day. Thank you, brother. You too. And then we have another question below. Uhm, Delaney, what was it again? I saw it, but then it disappeared.

There are a few. We have one missed call. If that caller is you, please call back. We were talking to Jeff when you called. EHM, there are a few that have piled up. So EHM. This person, I don't know if you are a man or a woman, used to follow you. Was slightly agnostic for a while. Wait, there's another unknown caller who...

Call back for more. Hey, you're live on the radio. Are you looking at me now? Are you looking at me now? Are you looking at me now? I need you so much. It drives me crazy. I need you so much. It drives me crazy. It drives me absolutely crazy. Is that all we're waiting for? Wait, wait, okay, hello, okay, yes. Yes.

What, Aka? Okay. Point. No. Okay. Point. This is not. Okay, if you're not Ayaka, please don't call. Good. Hello, hello, Ayaka. Yes, Ayaka on the line. This is a male voice. If you're not Ayaka, turn off this microphone. If you're not Ayaka, please don't call. Good. You must respect my privacy. We didn't call you.

Oh, oh, Ayaka. Hello, hello. So listen. Okay, this is not okay. I want you to think for a moment about what you oh, Ayaka. Hello, hello. So listen. Okay, this is not okay. I want you to think for a moment about what drives you to do this. If we can write down the number, can we please remove the number from the screen? Can we get the song off the screen? Please.

No, that's not possible. That's not possible. We're not going to go through this back and forth talk. We'll let you go. It was fun. You've provided some entertainment for those teenage people. Yeah, yeah, see you later, friend. Okay, we can't continue this back and forth. We have to get on the phone. She said she would check tonight. So...

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Mohouwerd. Okay, I had to get them hung first. We had a real caller on the line. Look, this is it. It's a distraction for people who do care and... We just get a lot of calls. Uhm, hey, are you there? Yes. Hey, sorry. I tried to call in between all those other calls. Sorry about that.

Okay. How are you? No problem. Oh, I'm fine. EHM, I have a few things for you. EHM, first of all I want to start with a funny story about my wife. When the AI ​​on the Yeswin app went live, I was really excited and wanted to show it off. Look, check out that AI on the Yeswin app. Let's try it out. She said, give me that thing.

My husband is gay and he is going to leave me for a man. What should I do? Quotation mark. That was her first question. She was really testing it. Well, I thought that was funny. What was her answer then? I don't know anymore. It was a reasonable answer, mind you. Oh, good. So it worked quite well. Yeah, I should have taken a screenshot of it or something, but sorry guys.

E.H.M. Oh, this is Steve. Yes, Steve. Oh, this is Steve Utley. Yeah, I didn't realize that. Sorry, we had two calls at the same time. I thought we already hired the other one. His voice sounds a bit hoarse. Sorry, Steve. Wow. Yes, that's okay. It's probably you, okay. Well, EHM, I wanted to ask Sean, EHM, what is your opinion on eukumenism in general? Because I have often heard you say that you are not eukumenic.

And I understand that. that ucumenism is about the relationship between your church boards that work together to... to build a church, so to speak, and I wonder how that differs from your vision a you know because showing love to other people and other denominations whatever it may be um may seem out of your mind somehow, uuuh, depending on the definition.

So, yeah what do you think about that? Good question, brother. I'm not eukumenic in the sense that I don't think, I mean, I think it would be nice if the churches could all get along and work together, regardless their differences, but, because for me the answer does not lie in the church. Eukumenism or individualism within a church is simply part of this world.

The solution is for people to be ucumenical in their hearts toward other believers. If that happens, I think it will make sense. But because Catholics get along with Mormons, I just don't see it as anything other than that. I don't know, it just doesn't feel like the complete answer to me, brother. Yes. Well, for me the distinction would be, you know, building up Christians for this world versus individual love for one another.

Yes, many evangelical Christians hate ecumenism because they think their position is right and everyone is wrong, which of course brings its own problems. Ecumenical people would then say, no, we need to build up the church to become a greater force in this world. Yeah, so I think the answer is probably secret option C, which is, none of those options, and we're probably all wrong, so let's just agree.

So, I choose secret option C, I love how you say that. It is almost always the correct answer. Period, yes. And one more thing, this is just a suggestion or recommendation for a future Lee, if you haven't already given one. But just to get back to that guy who was talking about the Levitian and all that weird stuff.

Yeah, I don't know much about that. But what I want to know more about are the authors of the different books in the Bible. I'd like to see a lee that explains step by step who the person was, what they did, and what the context was specifically for the writers, because I get mixed up sometimes. So it would be very helpful if you explained each of them in your own way.

Steve, are you saying something like, okay, we're in the book chronicles, this is the writer and this is what they did? Yes, yes, yes. I don't know how long you want to take each book, but if it's short you might be able to cover them all. Yeah, like, okay, we're in chronicles, this is the writer, this is what they did, and this is why it's important and then we move on to the next especially for new believers and readers so they can get a better understanding of who is on the word is it's a great idea important while reading so thank you we'll do it yes point

okay I appreciate you I appreciate you too bro, brother. See you soon. Okay, see you soon. Okay, bye, bye. Now to answer the few questions in the chat. Uhm, this person. I tried to read this before, but I've been reading more about it lately. I have the feeling that I am being tolerated towards orthodoxy.

What are your thoughts on Orthodoxy and the Church Fathers in the first few councils? Oh, lord. Orthodoxy. EHM, you know, I would be very careful. Sorry. The best way I can explain it is, try to understand their point of view. Try to see how the scripture refutes what they say. Try to see that their way is a man-made construct imposed on the people during the Reformation.

And just be very careful about, oh no, excuse me, orthodox, I thought you were talking about orthodox Calvinists, oh, orthodoxy. Well, you know, the Greek Orthodox and the Catholics, I mean the Greek Orthodox and all those Latin and Oriental and Coptic and all those Orthodoxes, the Russian ones, listen, they have a lot of good things and a lot of bad, you know, their holidays and their rituals, their marology and holidays and all kinds of outward things, very traditional, very full of tradition...

...and lots of costumes and lots of art, icons. Don't know. I just don't think scripture supports Marology and I don't think it supports continuing the celebration of Holy Days. But if people want to, they can do that. I think they generally and sincerely have a hard time finding the truth. They teach from the Septuagint in the Old Testament.

They're actually the only ones who do that. The Catholic Church uses the Massoretic text. So Orthodox have good things. If you are Orthodox and committed to it, go. That's my view on it. I think that orthodox movements are probably better than all other movements on earth. It makes sense why people turn to the orthodox movements probably better than all other movements on earth.

It makes sense why people turn to Orthodoxy. Yes, that's what they want. Yes, everything. Yes. Or honestly, Mormonism. EHM. A few things that highlight this comment, Madison's comment, it's never been about the audience. Never. Why is that so difficult to understand? EHM, what's the story behind the seventh deck of Adventists and Saturday? What do they do differently than most people, that most people don't know? They have a lot of laws.

They are very loyal to Ellen G. White or is it Mary Bakeretty. I always get them mixed up. EHM, they are very legalistic. They believe in justification by works, that they must keep the Sabbath and that they observe it as described in the Old Testament. So they go from Friday evening to Saturday evening and that makes them feel holy.

That's their thing, Seventh Dex Adventists, that's their main claim. And they are different from the rest of the world because they consider Saturday as their holy day. That justifies them in the sight of God, and that's a little better. Therefore, they do not join those who do not have a Sabbath or those who observe it on Sunday.

Division again. But good people want to serve God. They want to look for him. In all honesty, do they have them? No, no one has that. Josh Paul speaks to Mormons this week on x I notice what I call doublespeak. Mormons seem to do this a lot. It is the mixing of truths and half-truths in a complicated way. That's my best description.

You're absolutely right. That's where it all started. It's doublespeak. And you never get to hear the true story from them unless they talk to each other in confidence, probably in their temple. I mean, they always use doublespeak and argue from their own reasoning and intellect, the scripture, and that is their game.

And I guarantee that everyone who talks to you, no matter how open, nice and cool they seem, has an agenda, and that is to get you to join their church. That's their goal. EHM What did Ellen G. White say again? She was one of the first Protestants to claim that you could tithe money, until she and a few others started claiming that tithes were only for agriculture.

Oh, thank you Sarah. That's why we love you. We continue to learn together. We can learn from everyone. Okay. How do I choose my favorite color and how do I avoid regretting my choice? She asked that question four times. This must be another friend of ours. Um, can we answer that fifth time here? Yes, go ahead.

Um, can we answer that fifth time here? Yes, go ahead. Yes, I think you choose your favorite color based on what you think your favorite color is and you do it without regret because there is freedom in Christ. What's that answer like? Does that help you? Nice. The best color is objectively blue. I hope that helps, Chris.

Damn, I always thought it was black. Yeah, um, okay. Thank you all. Packed quickly, see you later.