When There's *Lust* At Home... in the LDS

When There's *Lust* At Home... in the LDS | Heart of the Matter EPIPHANY

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Dear friend, if you want to feel better, don't let the devil make you toss this letter. If you've been crossed off by hoodoo, voodoo, the wizard over the lizard. You got family trouble, man trouble, woman trouble, no life to the brother. You're looking for a true friend or a true lover Or if you've been living under trouble Well, I'm coming to your town to break it all down And help you with all of this I'm looking to help you find bliss One day, one way, can't miss I'm here to tear all the walls down Doesn't matter if it's a large town or a small town

Just like Joshua and the famous walls of Jericho I'm here to tear down the institution But you must tell seven friends You must first bring seven friends And don't be selfish and keep this all to yourself And don't eat selfish Hate is trying all to yourself And don't eat selfish Hate is trying to take someone else's love for yourself But I'm here to tell you that love is trying to help someone else You need to see me right away so I can fix this You need to see me right away You need to see me right away so I can fix this Outro Music You need to see me right away so I can fix this up Sounds sincerely yours and faith, love and peace, your friend Archbishop Harold Holmes

Hello everybody, it is April 21st, 2026 and we've got a very, very important topic tonight for you. Okay, we've got to get right into it because there is so much beneath the surface. We went long last episode, so much beneath the LDS shining presentation to the world through what we call Holy Lust. world through what we call holy lust. Holy lust. And remember, God told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, forbidden.

And Mormonism, here's the basis, teaches that they should have. It was good. That is the origin of all we're talking about and how the LDS foundations are entirely different than the foundation of what God wanted for us in the beginning. So what caused Eve to eat of the tree was she saw that it was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, that it would make one wise. That's what she saw. And she ate of it and gave it to Adam to eat of it too.

And just as a sideline, I just want to throw this in. I've never heard this, but I believe that Adam ate the fruit that Eve gave to him for the very same reasons. But it wasn't for the fruit. It was for her. He saw that she was good for food, filled his desire for her, that she was pleasant to his eyes, and that she would make him wise, and he ate of it.

It seems like that's how men work with women they love. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing about that is, is that in the apostolic record, John the Beloved plainly wrote this corresponding to what tempted Eve. Ready? For all that is in the world, this world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life.

Those three things, that's Mormonism. Lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes. Pride of life is not of the Father, but is of this world. So tonight we want to expose, help expose at least, the facade of the LDS empire through their material appearances, show you how the LDS holy lust, how deep it really goes. And speaking of the pride of life, if there is one thing that the LDS generally pride in themselves is what they call their good fruit.

They pride themselves in that. They really believe that all the external pretense of their empire promotes and makes their fruit good before God and that they're superior for that. So they're constantly saying, look at our fruits. Look at our fruits. Their fruits are all the same fruits that seduced Eve.

Yeah. And are not of the Father, but are of this world. Yeah. You get it? Yeah. Yeah. So this is the game of religion. isn't it it's all religion Delaney I taught when we talk about Mormonism they are a model we use but you know it's corporate goodness it's putting fig leaves that look attractive over the bodies of sin and listen when the original seed of the operation is founded on forbidden fruit that's Mormonism the original seed is from the forbidden fruit they say is good the so-called goodness of all their fruit is not holy or good but it's

rotten it's really rotten when the heart behind it is lust and pride okay so our family meaning the McCraney's but also those at yes you ends with us maintain that God is not the author of organized religion. We're just one family that was part and parcel of the whole LDS culture for decades. And we're committed to it until we learn the reality that not only Mormonism, but all of organized religion in general, and why God plainly proclaims in the Bible, sorry, I'm misreading my notes here.

We learn that that is the reality of not only Mormonism, but all of organized religion. That God himself plainly proclaims in the Bible that brick and mortar religion and the religious authority of man were not going to be the way he reaches the world. Yeah.

himself plainly proclaims in the Bible that brick and mortar religion and the religious authority of man were not going to be the way he reaches the world. Yeah. So tonight we're going to show you, our audience, the results of this man-made religion. We're going to use the LDS Church, probably the most impressive man-made religion in our opinion. Which is an optimal, you know, it's an optimal material expression of religion.

Yeah. And we're going to use it as our example. Optimal of this world, not of the Father. That's our claim as a family. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. And so before we do, you know, we're not going to even touch the LDS history. Maybe next week we'll get into that of its violence, history of violence, of its racism.

Yeah. And we're not going to even touch the financial fraud that was rampant back in the beginning. Yeah. All the way out till today, the financial fraud straight from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Tonight, we want to bring holy lust that we talked about last week through the Doctrine and Covenants 132 down to the grassroots of life today.

Okay, so before we do that, we want to share a website with you. It's called floodlit.org. Take a look at it it let me get it up on the screen for you all floodlit.org dad you can look at it with me while i look at it um it reports sexual abuse in the mormon church very professionally you gotta you gotta look at it it's it's so well done and remember i'm sorry delaney but this is the true church of jesus christ on the earth right what does floodlet say up in that top corner yeah 47 178 reports of sexual abuse 4 178 in the say that you said 47 000 excuse me it's been a long morning it's been a long it's been a long year yeah

um and 394 times church officials allegedly hid abused 132 accused former bishops 52.2 million paid after alleged failures and 261 are currently ongoing criminal or civil cases you can go to floodlit.org and they they show you the pictures they give you the background they give you the positions they give you what the church did with what the people did in the ward how they hit it or how they addressed it how they paid it off off. This is wild. This is the true church of Jesus Christ that Paul said had to be pure, holy, and without spot.

Pure, holy, and without spot. And we've got this documentation going on online, and it is amazing. Yeah, this is really fantastic. Yeah. Do you know who's behind this? I don't. Yeah, we should look into that sometime. So let's just casually traipse through the practices of holy lust, which is not of the Father, but is of this world and the LDS Church, beginning with the origin.

Last week, we covered what Smith introduced to the world. He had seven wives starting at 14 years of age. He was in his 30s and he had seven wives before he introduced the practice of plural marriage to the membership and his wife. Okay, there was that. And that's the seed and it bears fruit. fruit out till this day yeah okay so we delaney and i went to a wedding reception at the top of the joseph smith building talk about all that is in the world and on the on uh out west to the lion house that was where brigham young had all of his wives and if you and it's still there and

they have all the different rooms and they tell the story with such beauty and stuff. This dude took wives. And if they didn't please him, they went out to the backyard where there was a little shack. And if they pleased him, they came into the house and got to live closer and closer to Brigham. That was polygamy in that day under Brigham Young.

It's not torn down. It is still boldly saying to the world, plural marriage is of God. Are they even renovating it? I think they're renovating it, yeah. They're like keeping it around. And then in the 19th century, church leaders out here in the West, the state wanted to, the region wanted to get statehood.

And the only way that the government would grant them statehood was if they stopped the practice of polygamy. And so they said, we will. And that was from what's called the Moral Anti-Bigamy Act. They said, we're going to stop it. But they secretly practiced it and would say to each other, like in their meetings, we know that you're one of the true and elect because you have extra wives, blah, blah, blah.

Everything was all great. And then at one point they realized we can't get away with this anymore. And they use this one guy, I think his name was Clayton, who was one of the last guys to take on a secret wife, and they used him publicly to excommunicate him. And that was the turning point for them saying, no more of this secret.

We have to get real here. And so they started to publicly denounce actual, but that bears the question, do they ever secretly, physically, materially practice it? And we're going to get to that before we wrap it up today. Wow, that is, that's gnarly. Yeah.

And then we go to, you go in Southern Utah, you got the fundamentalists LDS and gathered in Utah and Mexico and Texas and they all are Mormons who have left proper Mormonism that says no more of this material polygamy and they went out to these different places and they really believe they're the true church because Smith and doctrine come in it's 132 well yeah they're like restoring the restored right exactly and then you might not remember this or you might but Well, yeah, they're like restoring the restored. Right, exactly.

And then you might not remember this, or you might, but in sacred, not in sacred loneliness, Under the Banner of Heaven is the book about the Lafferty brothers, two brothers just south of here, who they wanted their sister, they wanted their other brother to practice polygamy, and his wife was kicking against him.

These Lafferty brothers went in and slit her throat, which was part of the Mormon temple to slit your throat. If you don't obey everything in there, they killed her. And then they slit the throat of their baby. These are Mormon men who were all from the seed of that forbidden tree, the best church on earth, maybe the worst representation of what God wants. Absolutely, in my opinion.

And then we have the war in Jeff and that misery and him molesting girls. And he's in prison now, finally. And then we had David Mitchell and Wanda Barzee going. And when this happened, we were just starting off the show after it kind of came about and Elizabeth Smart was found, I think. And we did a show and I actually said, Elizabeth, this is exactly what your church is built upon.

Him going and taking a young girl to be his bride. So, you know, all part of that mess. And then, you know, we think that these are aberrational events and not really of the mormon empire that's what they say oh these are just you know every now and then we have a glitch says gordon b hinkley on 60 minutes years ago no no no this is ubiquitous deeply rooted in part and we're going to talk about how we suggest that is by now going to our own history back in Huntington Beach as a family and what went on there. Alright so yeah there's a lot lot more under the surface so

what do you start with? Well I want to start with something did you ever go to a steak dance? Oh yeah. Did you? Yeah I went with Cassidy. Oh okay. Delaney kind of left all of Mormonism in 8th or 9th grade. Yeah. Insane that you're allowed to go to stake dances at that age, but I did. Yeah.

I did when I was younger. And I gotta tell you, man, even when I was 14, I couldn't get it. Because all Sunday Sundays, we were being taught about how you have to be chaste, how you have to be pure. And so Mormonism works off this strange dichotomy of telling you what you can't do and then sort of promoting what you shouldn't do.

Putting you in all these situations to make you want to do these things you aren't supposed to. Yeah. So it's like the 70s and we're in dark cultural halls and we hear feel like making love and you're dancing and you're it's just repeating feel like making love and then they say now father we're going to leave and they leave you and they're like telling you how to dress while you're there telling you how to dress and you know they. Telling you how to dress. And, you know, they had chaperones, you know, who were separating you if you were slow dancing

too close. It's all this pretense of being chaste. But they're not. They promote the opposite. And it's like, don't be of this world. They don't say that too much. But everything they have is of this world. It's always a, it's a two-face it makes sense why the sex is such a like very predominantly deformed thing like it's not usually normal with mormon couples or anything like there's always some weird thing going on because they make it weird yeah they make you think you're not allowed to but that that's the purpose of life yes you're like how am i supposed to it's it's two messages

that gets confused good point so the steak dance was a double standard and let's take it back even further when i was well not even further i went to steak dances like you when I was young but I had a lot of sexual relationships with girls when I was in my very young age I was sexualized early even molested and different things like that and so that combined with the family makeup and my genetics I was very active very young age by the time I 17, they held a court on me, a bishop's court, because I wasn't

a Melchizedek priesthood holder. So I went into the bishop, Rick, and they held this court on me. And to announce that they were going to hold a disciplinary council, the bishopric counselors came to your home to deliver the letter. And so I'm at home, you know, goofing off, and there's a knock at the door.

My mom says, Sean, there's some men at the door for you. And it were two men in our ward. We knew them both, and I'm going to call them Bill and Jim. And Bill and Jim came, and they came like, like if this was the letter, they were like. Oh, my gosh. And with all seriousness and solemnity, and I took it, and I was like, geez, man.

So they have the court and everything else. I think it was about 20 years later that one of the men who was very active in our warden, bishopric, and everything else, had been having affairs with women in the warden's stake for like numerous like 15. the rumor was he slept with everybody in the stake oh my god and he had been for years and he that was one of the hypocrites that delivered that letter to me yeah the way they treat a teenager yes a teenager who's like clearly probably struggling yeah with sexual stuff like yeah no yeah no we're sorry you're sorry that's so bad

so then they hold this court and they uh and then the priesthood uh gathers and they say we need to excuse sean mccraney from this group so i had to go outside in the foyer and inside the chapel, all the men gathered and they and I just went and turned the speaker on and they announced my disfellowshipment and that I'm not allowed to take the sacrament.

I am allowed to attend, but I'm not allowed to participate in that if I am not to be asked for questions or anything like that. And so then when they all came out, I got the walk of shame of them walking by me shamefully. While they've all also are having sex with their girlfriends, probably. Oh, all the young ones, I'm sure.

And I know that's for a fact because my friends were, but they all lie. You were freaking honest. Yeah, I've been honest the whole time. You know? And that is so demented to do to a teenager. It's like stuff you see in movies where you all gather and decide what to do with this kid. Yeah. And you disfellowship him.

Yes. Because he's doing the thing that you're telling him he's supposed to do with his life. Yeah. It's so bad. And the thing about it is, too, is that you can see through that stuff when you're a kid. You know, and it really did serve to help me become what we do now. You are lucky to see through it. I think a lot of people get really messed up.

by it because they don't know they're you know you I think you had the benefit of being able to be like what's going on here yeah you know you can see the hypocrisy yeah yeah I think you you were insightful to it at a young age so insightful and bold because the bishop would cut bring in say do you have a problem with masturbation and I'd say do you oh my gosh yeah and their face would get red yeah that's the kind of kid i was so i was not controllable by that but i tried to play along you know so this is all

backstory to the mccraney's and then we my r delaney's older sister um yeah they had a mission a mission trip they had a youth conference conference? Yeah, I think something like that. Something like that up here in Salt Lake. It took a bus up. And she and a boy in the ward who was older than her were messing around.

The boy lied. He went in to do baptisms for the dead. And my oldest daughter had to sit outside alone. Because she told the truth. Because she told the truth. Even though they were a couple. And you know that he's the one that she's doing right like so that really infuriated us sat outside that yeah we sat out Cassidy and I also were sat massive fly sat outside the temple fly we sat outside the temple at an event yeah because we weren't like properly part of the church we were like half in half out so we weren't allowed to participate in certain events

puppeteering deceptively dishonestly disingenuously look at floodlit to see what goes on with the most of the adults that are implicated and look what they do to the youth it is a horrible system when it comes to lust so then uh in the mid eight late 80s uh my brother who's deceased jeff wait let's hold off on this one oh okay okay uh uh i became a bishop yeah okay i became a bishopric member when as an adult and hand to my maker which you're not supposed to do but he knows um i was the second counselor next to me was the

first counselor a woman came in whose husband and her were having trouble and i'd say their name but i don't want him i'll tell you if you want. And he literally leaned over and said to me, my sister blank will make a mighty fine second wife. Oh, it's so gross. Yeah. It's so gross. He said that through his halitosis breath and his teeth.

I was looking at his teeth and mouth as he said. He was like the guy in the Matrix, the guy with the mouth. Oh, my gosh. I was like, oh, God, you can't take this. Real stuff. As if these women would want to be the second wife of these men. Right. So sick. Yeah. Like, where are your rights? Yeah.

Yeah. Where is your decision making? That's not even part of these men. Right. So sick. Yeah. Like, where are your rights? Yeah. Yeah. Where's your decision making? That's not even part of, yeah. And then while up here in ministry, I got a call from an old friend in Huntington Beach, Christy Johnson. We've had her on the show numerous times, and she revealed that her father, who was very active in the stake at that time, had been molesting her and her siblings for decades.

And the church covered it. And you could say that's hearsay. It's not hearsay. No, she's done so much work to talk about that. Yeah. And go to floodlet.org to see more cases of the church protecting those who do these things. What they tell members who have been abused is, go to your bishop, don't go to the police.

That's an insular, let's protect ourselves over everything else. That's diabolical. They shine like mad with their materialism. They are diabolical in the way they do things. Yeah the at the very least if it was insular like that they should be excommunicating the people that are being reported but that doesn't happen that doesn't even happen like in every case some cases but not every and i don't know what how they do that the some cases are when the person is someone you want out and this the other cases are when it's someone you want to keep it seems like it they didn't want rebellious Sean McCraney representing

right isms is really easy to but they they do like the ones that pay a lot of tithing yeah amen playing the game that's so funny you say that John Dillon is being sued by the LDS Church personally and also his Mormon Stories Foundation. And he just came out with that yesterday. But in any case, I had someone call me and say, I wonder why they've never sued you.

And I told them, here's why. Because we serve to bring the riffraff out of the Mormon Church. Yeah. that's so true we bring the smokers and the drinkers and and that just cuts their bottom line they the holy ones don't listen to me yeah yeah john has an effect on the tithe payers and stuff we have an effect on the sinners yeah that's so true yeah so we do a service for them yeah like john brings an appeal to i don't want to say it this way, but people that play the game.

Sure. Because he has another kind of game going on that you can keep playing with. And you're just calling it all out. They're just like, hey, you're going to, you know. John is more threatening in that way to them. And he tries to be more balanced in kind of an academic way. Yes. Screw your balance. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Not John's balance. The Mormon churches, screw you. You're going to get it straight up. If you can't trust us, who can you trust? You know? Yeah. And so Christy comes and we get all involved in that. Also, they wrote a book, Heart of the Matter. Yeah. I feel like that was their way of taking over whatever you...

It could have been, but he was a heart surgeon. But, I mean, they knew that Heart of the Matter was on TV for seven years. Yeah. And then finally, not finally, but then a few years ago, what happens? We get wind of the Michael Wilder story. a few years ago what happens we get wind of the michael wilder story totally michael wilder was having sexual relationships with a man who was his uh sister's has her brother-in-law no not that one he while he was on his mission he was having sexual relations with a man who was the ward mission leader. And because he feared being found out,

he had the revelation of Jebus. And he became the spokesman for Jebus among people leaving the Mormon church. I don't care about his sexual proclivities because we all have problems. I don't care. But I care about the hypocrisy. And Micah Wilder is a hypocrite. And today he still is practicing polygamy. He brought another wife in from his devoted, beautiful, kind wife.

He ruined his children by bringing this other woman in because he's doing what was instilled in him from the get-go. I blame Mormonism on it, but Micah's a grown man. He should be doing different right now, I think. So all that stuff, and then go to Floodlit and you'll see 10 times more going on with holy lust in the Mormon church.

Yeah. Okay. So let's wrap up our time with the call you got 10 days ago and show how even our hometown, our wards and stakes that we grew up in, this lust has come to the surface as it always will. Let's put a graphic up for it. All right. So last week I got a call from a friend of mine who used to be a stake president.

And dear friend, we still are in, I was on a stake high council with him when we were both on the stake high council together. He got excommunicated. I got excommunicated. He's a great guy. He doesn't have animus against the church, really. He just knows it's what it is.

He's a, he's a Methodist now, but he called me and he told me after catching up, well, here's some things that are, I didn't know about until recently. And he told me the story about the guy, a guy who in the 1980s, my brother, and we're coming back to that story. My brother, Jeff was teaching seminary in fountain Valley, California. And he and his wife, Karen lived in Fountain Valley. He didn't tell you this story. Who? The guy on the call.

No, he didn't tell me. This is something. This is backstory to what he told me. Yes. And he said that there is, was, is a seminary teacher, institutes of Religion. He was a bishop. He had been a stake president. High up, he brought thousands, literally hundreds and hundreds every week to hear his teachings as the Bishop of Single Wards.

He was as popular as John, by the way, who is a Mormon youth kind of guy. John, by the way, is bigger, but this guy, and his name is Larry Johnson, and he and his wife had a bunch of kids, and they were like one of the stalwarts of the stake. I mean, like big time. And he reigned and governed with that Mormon charm, and he always had something with me. I don't know what it was. I had some interactions with him.

But my brother and his wife were home in Fountain Valley one night as the seminary teacher. My brother's teaching seminary with Larry in the same building. And there's a knock on the door, a pounding on the door, and a young girl came crying. And Darren and Jeff are like, what happened? And they said, Larry Johnson's been molesting me.

And they're like, no. And yeah, she was a foster child in their home. And Larry had been taking her and molesting her. And so my brother, I don't know how he did it, but he went to leadership. And leadership went to leadership to leadership. And they came back and they said, to release this out is going to harm the church more than help us. So we just have to let him be.

And he was then called to a mission out in Virginia and he went and served there. And so that happened. And I'm like, well, that could be true. Maybe the girl's not right. I didn't really fully believe it because he was so high up on the holiness factor, I thought, no way. I didn't have that mind to automatically believe it.

Well, I talked to Christy Johnson last week, and then I heard that this is just the beginning of the tip of the iceberg with Larry Johnson. We're mentioning his name. Christy Johnson and Larry Johnson are not related. Sorry. And we're mentioning his name, not out of spite. I have mercy in my heart for Larry.

I happen to believe that his wife was in on it for the simple reason that the Doctrine and Covenants in 132 that we read last week, the wife has to give permission for these things. They were so sold out on it. That's my conjecture, but I believe she was in on it.

And he has been accused of numerous cases of sexual abuse, which probably happened after the church said, don't let this get out because it will hurt the church more than anything else. He has the license now from the church. And, you know, you go back into that. He had the respect of so many people. He went around with this popular story called the kent williams story they recorded it it was like a speech he would give at stake after stake after stake after stake he traveled to give the kent williams story kent williams was my age and we were in high school

together and junior high together and he got called to a mission and uh he went to argentina and he was walking along the railroad tracks and the train came up behind him and killed him. I think I remember that. Yeah. So Larry Johnson would go around and speak of the Kent Williams story, hero worship, you know, and get everyone crying and all the stuff. It's all the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, the pride of life.

It's false light. It's not what the gospel is about. So that's the first real story from our stake, from a high up guy that shows the facade. It's a facade. And I can guarantee when I got excommunicated later in Park City, the stake president there, he was like coming down on me really hard and I said all your counselors are doing the same stuff just like that oh he would his face got red and fuming and I said well maybe not all of them but a good deal of them he said don't don't come down on me you know and you know that that transparency that often authenticity, that real life stuff about men and women in the world.

The church doesn't protect you from that. In fact, it promotes it through their doctrine that we covered last week. Yeah. All right. All right. And then the second story that was revealed. Right. And then the second story that was revealed, and this goes a little bit deeper for me because I personally was interacting with this man since I was in my teens.

Hold your, this is going to mention his name, because we're having mercy on him for the simple fact that apparently he was excommunicated. But this man, I got into an altercation with a kid who was not a member of the church. And he was not just not a member of the church. He was a freaking of the church he was a freaking dic he was aggressive he was out trying to and i confronted him and i went at it with him and no one else would so we go out to the parking of your microphone i'm sorry it's okay we go out

to the parking lot of a steak dance and uh that guy's like i'm gonna get him and this man had his hands on his shoulders now come on come on now that's we can control ourselves and i'm like bring it you know and he let him go and he said get him this man who was a bishop in the ward, he was chaperoning at this dance, told the kid, the non-member, get him.

And I thought, my God, this guy is not only a DIC and he's not only not a member, you're siding with him over someone who's part of your church? And I could not understand. I understand now, I guess I could not understand. I understand now. I guess I was not very well liked by the leaders, but he took preference with him.

And from that day, I was like, huh. Another thing that guy would do at the stake dances that he would chaperone is he would get all the girls and he would swing dance with them. And he was like the one who led. And he strongly would spin them and strongly pull them in he was like the one who led and he strongly would spend them and strongly pull them in and strong i know i'm the microphone strongly do all that and we used to watch him for decades dancing with these girls at these steak dances and you know he don't like

the ones that do that yeah it's like creepy it's like she'd make a fine wife someday. So this guy, he went on and he was ruling in the stake with blood and horror. He was he's just a major ass. Yet he had the respect of so many people. And he worked up to the point where I was on a stake presidency with his predecessor.

And I and then he the predecessor left as the stake president and they called a new one and they called him. So he became the stake president of the Huntington Beach Stake. And I was on his team of high council members. And I was on his team of high council members. And again, all like honor. He had a really good job.

And they just had the perfect, you know, nuclear LDS family and all of this stuff. Everything always looking right. And this guy's playing the part. So we moved from our ward boundaries, mom and I with you guys, and we were supposed to go to another ward because it's geographically determined.

And we weren't, I grew up in the ward we were in and we were only a block away from the boundary. And we're just like, we're not, I came into the high council meeting one Sunday and he was the president and we sat down, the meeting's going going and in front of 15 men he says Sean I want you to get a hymn book so I got the hymn book and it was it may not be on a mountain high and which is also known as I'll go where you want me to go and he said read the first verse and I did he says read the second one I did he says read the third one and I did. This is read the third one. And I did. And he said, thank you. And so this was a public

discipline of me. You got to go to your right ward. This is how the rules work. So I'm thinking, well, I know I'm being rebellious here, but you know, he does set the example and everything else. So I'm considering it. It was, I was kind of felt guilty and it worked. That's another one.

And then I started to fall away from the church, not because of that, but that contributed to all these things. And I got in a motorcycle accident and I destroyed this hand. I've had reconstructive surgery in my thumbs and all the stuff through it. And the week I got the cast off, I don't know if you've ever had a cast. Well, I don't know about you, but other people have a cast on.

You take it off, you're still weak. And especially if you've had reconstructed surgery. Like it is as tender as an infected sore. And I'm sitting on the front row at the ward house and they're in a meeting. And this state president's up there and afterward he comes straight down and he goes, hey Sean, he puts his hand out and he squeezed it.

And it hurt me so bad that I did not have any resistance at all. He controlled me completely. And I dropped me down to the bench in pain and then he let go. He goes, still hurts, doesn't it? That's all he said. And I thought, you are such a dick. Why are you inflicting pain upon me? Mercilessly, he did it. And then when I wrote Born Again Mormon on a page in the 200s, I wrote the following.

A stake president told Mary and me that the whole purpose of the church was to prepare people to become gods. And I give the footnote reference and it's of him as the president of that stake on November 4th, 2003, 845 PM. So I, I, I, and before I put that in the book, I called him and said, I said, buddy, I said, uh, I'm going to going to put this in a book I'm writing.

I want to make sure that you sit, you stand by the quote before I just do it. And he was on the phone and he said, I stand by it, Sean, and he hung up. Oh my gosh. So he, he, he's this guy and yet he's esteemed as like the highest of the high. And if he's doing these things all along, they're so mean. And this goes on in the church of perfectness and then so finally after that I get the call ten days ago from my friend apparently he says there's a guy in the stake our old stake who's been having an affair and he said for 50 50 years. 50 years.

I said, you've got to be kidding. Well, Christy Johnson thought it was decades, but it's been 50 years, and I said, who? And he told me the name, and I couldn't believe it. I was dumbfounded by the facade of holiness, and I thought about how many lies he has told, how hypocritical he was his whole life, ever since he started having that sidekick, ever since he was lying to people about what he put on them, discipline courts he put on them, interviews to become a stake president, disciplined courts he put on them, interviews to become a stake president, to stay a bishop,

everything. He was lying. He was lying to his wife, or he was practicing what we read about last week. And he maybe told his wife, hey man, this is really what the church is about. And there's somebody that I want to become one of my wives. Will you do it? And maybe she agreed. I don't know. But the bottom line is this is the reality of a grassroots family that's involved in the Mormon church at those levels and what goes on with its membership at some of the highest local level.

Yeah, that is holy lust yeah it's hard to imagine that someone in the church didn't know about that it's really hard to imagine that is yeah yeah and you know apparently they excommunicated him apparently he still goes to his ward and sits in the back pew. Is that allowed? Yeah, you can be excommunicated.

You just can't participate. Yeah. So, you know, if he sinned like a man sins and lusts for those 50 years and he had been lying to his wife, maybe he has contrition and he's trying to get back into the church. Fine.

his wife maybe he has a contrition and he's trying to get back into the church fine but for 50 years that hypocrite who made my life hell and other people's lives hell he hid behind what this is and what this really is Delaney is a supportive thumbs up that says god has never wanted religion because when you have religion men and women do these kinds of things yeah yeah yeah it just is the evidence it there has never been a religion where this doesn't happen never been and we keep going on as a society saying those are the outliers there are good people yeah and it's like i think the good people are the outliers or that doesn't matter the the problem is a group

right like the group religiously inclined yeah serving god to god as a group yeah should not happen no because it can't happen it can't. Like that has never been holy and pure or whatever. Never. And that's our point as a family to the world as Yeshuans is, listen, the scripture, the Bible clearly shows that God wants a direct relationship with individuals and that the institutional affinity of anyone is almost irrelevant. You want to join a club, you join a club.

You want to go to a church, you go to a church. But it has nothing to do with your relationship to God. The Mormons flip it and they say, your relationship to God has everything to do with the Mormon church. And there is the lie. Yeah. And they are just a really over example of it. Anyone that's connecting any lifestyle or preference or doctrine or whatever to that, you know, this is how God is, is doing the same thing.

Same thing. Yeah. So those pastors in the churches who have you know mission boards and elders boards and deacons and they're they're telling you how to live and be it's the same thing and this is part of the thing that we've always said why do these men how can these men get up and tell congregation after congregation and reprove them of sin and call them to repentance and tell them how to be when they have a beam stuck in their own eye the hypocrisy of religion is unbelievable in the sight of god and yet it continues to go on religion like upholds

the hypocrisy because it tells you like even though you're failing to keep the structure up, right. To uphold the structure. So, so you feel if you're a person in leadership and you're failing, you feel the need. It's almost like a holy need to like get up and support the thing that's bigger than yourself, even though you're not and that's the humble yeah even yeah like i'm gonna keep like the church alive even though i'm not doing what the church says yeah it's not right i told a family member about this stake president or i

brought it up because that family member is still in that stake where he's at in Southern California and the family member's response was well all I know is God must use broken men to bring about good things in his kingdom something like that to paraphrase it was yeah he sure I have a lot of comments about that yeah that it if that was the case you would be treated really differently by the church right right I'm sorry like that's not the case, you would be treated really differently by the church.

Right. Right. I'm sorry. Like, that's not the case. That's not the case. They punish broken people all the time. Right. Because broken people do not feed the coffers of what they want to present, which is perfection. They're trying to get better at it. When we went and saw that stake president, when I said I wanted to join the church, you know, are you trying? Are you striving? We have a heart for people now.

And I grew up in a very different age. And so my rancor toward the institution remains, but it still exists. Yeah, they've just moved the line. Yeah, they've moved the goalpost, right? Moved the goalpost. Yeah. And if you just still hit them at the wrong place, they're going to not like you and excommunicate you.

Absolutely. They're going to punish you for it. the other hypocrisies and we're just since we're gonna come close to wrapping this up it's just like all the things about like um you can't drink you can't go to bars you can't own a bar you know when you're a member of the local ward but marriott is yeah they have a marriott center byu he has bars all over the world and porn all over the world.

And he gets to be like, he has a high office in the Mormon church. The hypocrisy between the haves and have nots is insane with them. They know what they're doing and it's a manipulation. So typically our family is not reaching out to the stalwarts. You're going to watch this show and be like, oh, you just don't know. You've lost the spirit, all this stuff.

If you really care about God, not about religion, consider what we are presenting to you on yeshuans.faith. Consider the content that we're trying to get you to see, and that is God from the Bible never wanted religion to exist. That's a thing of man. He did everything necessary so his spirit could reach to individuals and get them to come to him directly without interference of authority, men, women, religion, doctrines, dogmas, or anything else. We are pushing this out to you as a solution. It's not another church.

I've heard so many people say, we need a church here that will cater to the Mormons. That's the last thing we need. We don't need a church. We need people to trust that God is calling to them individually. If you're one of them, consider what we have to say. Any thoughts that you have on that? you're one of them, consider what we have to say.

Any thoughts that you have on that? No. Just watch. If you're just tuning into this episode, watch this Holy Lust series. There's three episodes, and it's part of Heart of Matter Epiphany, where Yeshua, like you said, Yeshua and sought faith, and it all ties back to the DNC 132 and their perspective on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

The way Adam and Eve sinned. And there's a lot more to it than just these personal stories that we've told on this episode. And just to let you know, in addition to what Delaney just said, next week we're going to talk about one of the most sinister things that started from Joseph Smith, from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, and that was the purpose of life.

What do you think Smith said the purpose of life was, and what has been echoed through their leadership down through the ages. We could say it means sex, drugs, whack around. No, what do you think he said it is? And it's diabolical and it sounds so good. I would, I don't know. I would guess multiply and replenish, but. That's part of it.

The purpose of life from God's mind to us is for us to be happy. Oh, wow. To be happy. Oh, wow. To be happy. Huh. And if I've ever heard of a more diabolical prescription for living, it's that. It's that. They have Happy Valley down there. They live in an alcove of happiness, but it's all contrived. Happiness is not the purpose of life.

Joy, knowing God, and suffering through your own desire for happiness to fade. And to let God govern you, not happiness. If I live for happiness, they also say wickedness never was happiness. Baloney! Wickedness is extreme happiness in this world. Yeah, totally. Yeah yeah i've always argued with them on that they say wickedness was never happiness wickedness is the ultimate form of happiness yeah like a lot of people would suggest they're living to be happy yeah that are doing the opposite of what mormons are doing and we see them all the time. I'm happy.

You left your wife and kids. Yeah, and I'm happy. Do you realize what that even means? And we're going after that next week. All right. All right. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks, guys. We'll be right back. Outro Music you you