45 Biblically Supported Reasons Organized Religion is Over, Part 3

45 Biblically Supported Reasons Organized Religion is Over, Part 3 | HOTM EPIPHANY: Episode 10

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We are on. Hey, welcome. 11th show. I just held up that many fingers. This is our 11th show for the year 2026. This is Heart of the Matter Epiphany. You are Sean McCraney. And you are Delaney McCraney Norris. All right. Heart of the Matter is where Mormonism meets biblical Christianity. It is. That is where we spend most of our time focusing on Mormonism because that's where our family came from.

But it also represents a lot more in this world today. So we'll keep talking about it. It does. All right. more in this world today so we'll keep talking about it it does all right so um we want you to know a few things that are going on we can start with sean the baptist ooh sean the baptist sean the baptist is my stage name sean the baptist is what I go forward into the public starting at the end toward the end of this year. Soft launching right this moment.

It's a soft launch right now. I come in the spirit of John the Baptist. Is that biblical? Well John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah so why wouldn't it be? So argue with us biblical people. I mean I'm coming in the spirit of him, which is wild. He's a wild man out in the wilderness, and that's where it's going to go.

So what is Sean the Baptist? What are you going to, what do you hope to do with Sean the Baptist? I hope to, now that we have taken this long, and you guys know this, to figure out what we're all about, Yes, You Wouldn't Stop Faith, now we have something to share. And it's a message that we're going to share.

So, Sean the Baptist is going to be my stage name when I go out and I talk to any group, wherever they might be, church, whatever. But I'm primarily, starting in October october gonna be in the west desert and i'm gonna be out in the desert and we're gonna be uh a nomad in the in the wilderness preaching for uh our message to be heard and that's what sean the baptist is and we've waited there's no reason to go out and do it when you're gonna be changing all the time we're not changing much anymore so

that's what i'm gonna be doing what are going to be doing sean the baptist will be if you see on your screen it says you can go to meet seanthebaptist.com and you'll see we aim to go to remote locations where you meet sean in the in the wilderness yes um it's the desert in ut, but we'll start in Utah and invite people out to meet him in the wilderness and just hear the real, a message from the real spirit of Christ outside of the walls of church.

Yeah. Because they're all closing anyway. Yes. And we want to call people to the spirit. spirit of the risen christ to the victory that we say started january 6th it's just our placement date of the risen christ is now coming in as to as a means to offset all the stuff that has been done in the uh sean the baptist how dare you have a how do i even have a phone this is of the devil no uh look at this man it's just like uh so listen so uh what was i saying dell um that there you're going to meet people outside the walls of and bring the the risen spirit of the

risen christ that we announced yeah because the spirit of the mortal christ uh right now is engaged in every foxhole battle around the world in politics, in churches, in every game that's being played, the mortal Christ, Jesus here, Jesus there. And we are saying the spirit of the risen Christ is in all people, calling all people of faith to peace, love, unity, to come together in the spirit of Christ and to let us get rid of this trying to do material religion.

That's right. And what are you going to be doing? You're going to be doing some interesting things, too, from what I understand. I'm going to be doing, if I can get a graphic up, discussions on Yeshua. So while Sean's out in the world going external, I'm hoping to bring people internal and discuss with us their perspective.

And I'm hoping to put it into, put the Yeshuan model into scrutiny out in context now. So we've been internal developing it for a long time and now we want to put it up against other perspectives so if you have anyone in mind a content creator or a youtuber a teacher whatever they are an artist um let us know you can email me at the email on the screen and i'd love to talk to them uh just like for instance we have a guy over in hawaii who's a dear friend of our ministry and family lindsay lindsay and he sent me a clip of

somebody that he enjoys uh gian uh shuashan shuachin shuachin sorry and uh and so we think that people like lindsay should reach out to uh gian and say hey there's another guy that does stuff you two should talk and we know this is how it works we're not you know we know this is what goes on but we're just telling you if you like our stuff uh you know consider someone that you enjoy and and set them up with Delaney.

And here's the interesting thing to me. We started off with me coming in with a very biblically-based, masculine approach to this whole thing. And now I'm going to take that out. But you are bringing in the Yeshua model, and you're so good at questioning and asking things about people's faith and you didn't you don't even have to study it you you have that feminine spirit of christ you know what yeshuans believe you could talk to anybody and just say well tell us what your thoughts are on this or about that and you can i'm so grateful for the way this is gone

that now we have another way that the yeshwin model is happening and it's not just founded in sheer masculinity and biblical stuff now it's now it's founded more in the spirit of christ way yeah yeah it's like it took the masculine your like brute strength to find it right to like dig through the world and find it i could never have done that and now it can take my strength to like organize it or like get it like put in a different way or accessible and and you're open and to peaceably talk with philosophers and artists and of every kind

about these things and i don't think you bring to the table division where i'm more divisionary i'm more yeah yeah no no no and because that's how we are and i just see a beautiful model unfolding here um thank you what else my ears are a part of it so just a couple latest mormon antics we had two things happen this past week that are really interesting the first is we had our call-in show on sunday you guys can watch that um but someone called in and he was just browsing the internet, didn't know who we were and said he, he likes to call in to live streams and debate and he's LDS and he debated and he, it was very clear that he expected he had all the answers as if we were just.

normal christians and we're gonna like he was loaded for bear actually uh before he even told us who what he was yeah because then he never really said it to a church called the church really uh but he didn't know who we were he's just fishing yeah and this is what mormons are doing now online they're inner in into realms of christianity and you know what they're looking for low-hanging fruit they do not want someone who's uh yeah he literally just had his questions ready to go and had new he said i oh i expected you to say this back so i was gonna say this but like

it was it was it was rehearsed yeah and he started with the trinity yeah he goes so on the trinity and he goes you guys started with the Trinity. Yeah. He goes, so on the Trinity. And he goes, you guys believe in the Trinity? We said, no. He goes, oh. It was so funny. He goes, oh. So then he had to try to work out something different.

And that's what they're doing. No nuance. No. In the world. So we invited him. We said, hey, listen, Alec, you come on our show. We open it up to you. We'll sit and talk. You've got a local number, area code at least. Come on. Oh, I'll do it. I'll do it. Doesn't have a job. I have a lot of time on my hands. Oh, Delaney reached out to him.

Set it up. He said, didn't he say first? He said, okay. I said, email me. He emails, okay. Tuesday morning, okay. And then he emails, I have to respectfully decline. I saw a video on your channel, um, attacking the church and I will not entertain or something to the degree of, I won't discuss anything with someone who disparages our true prophets.

Oh my gosh. That was the sentiment. Cause they know they don't have a leg to stand on with their prophets their priesthood their temples their history any of it they know it so what alec is doing is he's hoping he's coming in to a show where the hosts really aren't very familiar with answers and then he can come in and plant his morm Mormon fruit to people who are unsuspecting.

And the unsuspecting go and they listen to the missionaries. And then the Mormon church, they take the low hanging fruit. They don't want people who are informed. He can call into our show and say whatever he wants against our faith. But then we can't. It was so wild. I guarantee you the mission. It was it is so wild.

I guarantee you the missionaries, they knock on your door. If they come into your house and they sit with you, if you give them any sort of real, real resistance, that's you're going to either win one over or win two over to the truth. Or they're going to turn from you and say, we don't really feel the spirit. We need to come back anymore.

All right. So what else has the Mormon Church done this week? So we have a brother, Danny. Danny got this in the mail. And can you read it? It says on there. The gathering has begun. The gathering has begun. Join it. It's got a picture of almost a white Jesus on a white Jesus on there. He's groomed.

He's wearing very clean, beautiful robes. And who sent this out? A Mormon guy. I guess his name is Ben Lundberg gathering Israel out of Logan. And on the other side, it says, it's time, gathering Israel. And we connect people with missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They did a mailer to every house, at least in Danny's area.

And this is another attempt to get unsuspecting people to see Gathering Israel. What does that mean? You go to the website and it says Israel is not a nation. Israel is a people. And we are gathering the people of Jesus Christ. All you got to do is contact us and we'll send missionaries out to your house. They're doing anything to try to get to people to get to missionaries, because they know it's really struggling right now.

And nobody's joining. On the website, by the way, all their pictures of success stories are people like from third world countries who are coming to the Mormon in church because they don't know any better. Yeah, we get a lot of comments on you saying the church is hemorrhaging is like yeah right 17 million new followers this year like followers members always manipulating they are hemorrhaging they know it uh they have options but they won't take it because they are so powerful and wealthy yeah i mean they have to have a they have to have a reality show like that's that's the level that

the mormon church is at is that they have to have a reality show yeah how come they haven't shut down That is marketing. Are you kidding? Isn't that amazing? Yeah. No, but that's the level. There's no integrity anymore. It's we're Israel. It's we're like on Dancing with the Stars. They got the guy from Jeopardy who's a Mormon.

Yeah. Anytime they can get into the popular worldview in a clean slate the Osmonds all that they are promoting their gig so what's the most troubling thing about this mailer for you one is they are using Israel they are say they are gathering Israel they claim they are Israel but Israel before was lost they are the people who are coming in and they're gonna rejoin with Israel in the last days and Israel will come to understand Mormonism and Jesus and then that they're gonna be Israel through Christ and Israel old will come in and

join them and it's this gathering idea using israel and then it's just another form of what is ubiquitously happening around the world through all sorts of means with uh christian imperialism and and uh christian colonization where we go in, we take a people, we make their culture, our culture, and we use Jesus to do it in order to have domination and control.

And it infuriates me because Jesus has nothing to do with the way he's being used. And yet that is the way he is being used by even the most devout christians in the world that bugs me that's been your frustration about religion for this your all your life but they've been using him in also sinister ways but not such overt way like it's it's the same problem that's escalated over the course of your life I think yeah I just heard from that Gian guy he said and he read it he put it up on his screen at the university he teaches that this was from

some soldiers who are going to Iraq where their officers said you are doing the work of Jesus Christ I I mean, in the military, they're saying this when we go into a war that's completely unjustified, in my opinion. But again, that's political. Don't care. I don't know the ins and outs, but I know.

I don't understand how Jesus' name is being used on soldiers going in to kill other people. It's unreal. I don't understand how Jesus' name is being used on soldiers going in to kill other people. It's unreal. It is. I don't think there's anything worse. We've been on this for a long time. We've been saying there needs to be a separation of church and state in every single way.

This is, we have to stop this as believers, as believers, because if we don't, believers are all going to be locked in with the same imperialistic intentions and that is really disturbing it is oh well move on to shall we move on we've got another 11 items that compares the past 2,000 years of religion, patriarchal religion under law, and with what we promote in the next 2,000 years, which we call the Yeshua model.

So we're at number 23. Delaney, you shall read. All right. We shall talk. It's a little bit small on your screen. Sorry, guys. All right. We shall talk. It's a little bit small on your screen. Sorry, guys. But the first is Jesus is mediating at the right hand of the Father in the last 2,000 years.

What is he doing now? Yeah. If your eschatology is incorrect, like most Christians' eschatology is, everybody says, and Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, and you are praying, and Jesus says, Father, this one's mine. Forgive them for their weaknesses. And the Father says, okay, Jesus, I'll listen to you because you're the mediator of the new covenant.

And that's the idea. But the problem is, is if you read the scripture namely Hebrews and you read first Corinthians 15 you find that coinciding with the end of that former world end of that former age not the world itself Yeshua would come back for his own and when he would come back for his own he would cease to be at the right hand of his father he would only be there until he came back to take his bride we believe he came back and took his bride through an abundance of proof and therefore he is not at his father's right hand mediating there's no

mediating going on because the victory has been had does that make sense yes and there's a question as to where he is right you have spec we have speculations on him being on the throne or whatever but but he's not at the right hand anymore because there's not mediating now there's passages it says he'll mediate forever but that has to be taken in the context of the nation of israel and that being forever in that age not forever and ever and ever and ever and ever all right and so the mediation where is he in my

opinion because revelation only describes one throne in the throne room of God. I believe that Christ stepped from his right hand and he actually took the throne of the invisible God. And that when we enter into the kingdom to see him is to see God, to see him is to see the father. This notion of him almost not unnecessary.

It's because of him, everything exists. exists but and there's no way to the to god but by him but it's almost like he's done his work he now is in his rightful place as god so we need to use him to explain why we believe the things we do and how we're in this place today but there are people today who won't even know his name who will just worship god and spirit and truth and are fine because he's had the victory on behalf of the father and this world any thoughts on that doe no you said it clearly i

think we can move on to the next all right all souls will face the uh great white throne judgment according to religion for the last 2 000 years how are we saying that is not the case anymore in the book of revelation it says and i saw the dead small and great stand before god and their names were read in the book of life and if their names were not found in the book of life, they were cast into the lake of fire to take their part in that lake of fire. That was all to the nation of Israel then. It has nothing

to do with people dying today. We are not gathering and waiting to go before the great white throne. We aren't out there in heaven going around until we get to the great white throne. The great white throne judgment is done. It happened to the nation of Israel under the law who accepted or rejected their Messiah.

Once that was done, everything was finished in that heavenly realm. Now we go, we've been judged already. By what? By the works of Christ. God has said, I take away all the sin away from everybody because he paid for the sin of the world for everybody unconditionally. Then the assessment comes is what did you do with your life? Some people will say I had faith.

They will be rewarded accordingly. Some people say I had had faith. They will be rewarded accordingly. Some people say, I had no faith. They will be rewarded accordingly. That is how God is just. He got rid of the sin caused by Adam through his son, and now we are living in a place where we choose to live how we want to live, by the Spirit or not, without condemnation we die and we receive our reward those who sowed to the spirit reap of the spirit those who sowed to the flesh reap of the flesh all right um no great white throne and no punishment no punishment yeah No punishment. And reward. Yeah. It's really complex, that whole thing.

We've talked, like, there's a lot to talk through in terms of biblical details and the timing of everything. So it's not so simple. Right. It's not this simple thing that we think people can just understand. Right. Oh, no. simple thing that we think people can just understand right right like oh no even knowing about fulfillment as we go through i don't get the bible it's really hard for me to to understand that but but it seems airtight that that's it's a tough one because well one people want there to be justice so we want a bind torture kill guy when he dies to go to hell.

And we want him to feel the wrath of God. But if you work backward, bind, torture, kill guy did what he did as a product of his genetics, his upbringing, him coming from a line from Adam in the fall. And all those defects culminated in the guy's life. Did he have a choice? He did. But he also has the choice now to do what is necessary to get that fixed.

We want to say, no, there's no choice. You really cause people a lot of pain. and suffering. The thing is, we all have caused pain and suffering, maybe not to that extent. The question is, do you want to live as a Christian and say, Hitler's got to get his or else I can't believe in this God.

And that is why he sent his son, not only for Hitler and what he did, but for you and I. And if you try to say they're worse than me, you miss what the whole thing is about. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard. I get it. But that's the stance that we take. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We'll do the next one. In the last 2,000 years, there has been a list of musts, must nots, and commandments that all must follow.

Okay. How about now? Well, there are only wills. There are no musts. Someone who does seek and love God will do this. Those who do not love or seek God will not. There is no must that goes on in the faith anymore, even though religion all stands on the idea that there's musts. You must believe the Trinity.

You must confess Jesus' name. You must repent of your sin. You must pay tithes another one there are no must today other than faith and love as a choice not as a must if you want to enter the kingdom of heaven then you must have faith that is a must but it's your choice and the faith what that's confusing language is it yeah explain how it's a choice but it's a must or is what you just said it's just like if you want to get into the fbi you must have a clean record but not everyone has to be in the fbi it's a choice to be in the fbi it's a choice to enter the kingdom of heaven yeah exactly like

i think that the the thing that's changed it like, is there was a hell that people are being punished to. So there is a must to like escape that punishment. Now there isn't the punishment. Right. So you can choose to live your life in this spiritual way or choose not to. That's what you're trying to say? Yeah.

to right that's what you're trying to say yeah yeah i'm trying to say i think we missed number 25 oh i'm sorry sorry guys um i skipped it over the last 2 000 years people say the bible was written to and for us today yeah and you know if you've been with us long enough nowhere does the bible say that yeah nowhere anywhere and it wasn't the writers of the scripture whether it's old testament especially old testament definitely but apostolic record they were not writing to.

They were writing to the people then under those circumstances. And there are so many things to include with that perspective. So just understand, can we use it today? Of course we can. And we use it for those things that it says to help us, to bring us up to fullness, to teach us and all that. Know about God. Know what he wants. But they are not material directives for us to follow.

Yeah. So it seems like people are coming to understand the Bible wasn't written to us, even though some people still do that. But the for us seems to be misunderstood still. Yeah. People reading it, knowing it was written to someone else, but thinking it's for them in that moment, reading it. We don't even think that.

No. That and letting go of that really changes the way you read the Bible. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Hope that makes sense to you guys. And, but we can prove that through the text of the bible all right so in the last 2 000 years marriage has been a religious ceremony yeah and you know there's a lot of reason for that but biblically speaking and that's what we try to speak about because if you get to the biblical message and you stick with it it carries through all the rest of it so let's just talk about this for a minute marriage in the biblical sense

is the consummation between two people becoming one that was marriage if we stick with that and we build on that, you can develop an approach to sex and everything else that's really healthy, reasonable, and good for your children and teens and everybody else. You know who the biggest kickers against this are? women.

They hate the fact that if, I'm sorry, I don't mean to pick on women, but every time I teach this, it's the women who come the most angry at me. I made a mistake when I was 13. I was not married to this kid. I'm not talking about in the literal marriage sense. I'm talking about the way God sees marriage. He doesn't see it as a pastor with a license coming down and uniting us. He sees it as two people choosing to come together.

If we taught our kids that from an early age, that marriage is not a ceremony, is not a party, but it's when you elect and choose to unite with somebody physically, and it's male to female. When you do that, that is the act that God sees as marriage, and he's not against that act. I mean, he's against the tearing apart.

He's against the 13-year-old choosing to unite with one, and then the two 13 year olds running to the fields. This doesn't mean you can't repent. It doesn't mean that God won't forgive you if you had sex when you were 13 or 20 or whatever with other people, I'm just trying to get to something better to teach better so that we can better educate our kids.

Uh, there's probably fallout to it. I know there's probably something i'm not even thinking about but the old model of marriage is when you have a ceremony i think is a waste of time yeah i feel like women kick against it because they take they feel more guilt about sex generally probably like men are just like it's flippant and they don't care but women feel it and then you tell them that god thinks they got married and it's like yeah it's flippant and they don't care but women feel it and then you tell them

that god thinks they got married and it's like yeah it's hard to hear that i get that it's hard yeah there's a lot of things that are hard but it doesn't mean we ignore them when it comes to trying to understand them to make things better later so i get it yeah um yeah i hear that okay get it yeah um yeah i hear that okay um the next one forgiveness is conditional and has been conditional in the past 2 000 years what is forgiveness now forgiveness is it's done it's it's it's done uh unconditional uh yeah it absolutely, everybody's been unconditionally forgiven for their sin because of Christ.

So that's why you say it's done, like the forgiveness happened. Yeah. And there's no condition on if you get it or not anymore. That's right. And we can prove that literally through the Greek of 2 Corinthians 5, where it says God was reconciling himself to the world that in the Greek it's done it's over so it's not like he's still yeah we had some kids here just the other week who are like when you sin you've got to go and repent and ask God for forgiveness and then he'll come and forgive you that is a mistake in Christianity yeah I. I haven't that. You guys should go watch that discussion that you had with the ratio.

Christie students. That's the video he's talking about. Because that was explained. Your discussion with them brought about a perspective on forgiveness that I didn't really have a grasp on. Before you did that. What was it? Do you remember? Yeah. He, that he was, you're like, how is it that God forgives you then? Cause they say, yes, God forgave us.

Jesus paid the paid. Like they say that. And then you're like, okay, then you sin and you have, then you don't have the forgiveness anymore once you've sinned right so and they're like correct i have to ask for forgiveness you're just pointing out how that like doesn't make sense you either were forgiven before or you weren't forgiven and you have to ask for forgiveness every time you're right it's one of one or the other so the implication is that forgiveness is like like a one-time act yeah conditional yeah i guess um so just that that bringing out that conversation with them i didn't

really realize that that's the problem with the perspective of sin and christianity, is the forgiveness is a one time, like he did it. And, and another part of that discussion is about the faith that you have so that your faith is on the fact that he did forgive you. Like faith is the, is the belief in the fact that he did that.

Like, I trust that you've forgiven me. Like, if I've wronged you, I would trust that you're the man that has already, has the grace for me. Rather than being scared of you and having to come and ask for forgiveness from you. religions live off the fear so the catholics have confession and the mormons have the bishop because you gotta keep they give you the problem and they say here's the problem yeah and then they say and we have the solution yeah the problem is sin here's the solution yeah and they are the

proprietors of the solution because they have the priesthood yeah this is the game of religion and so sin has to exist for religions to thrive yeah get it yeah for it makes forgive it makes faith in in the fact that he already forgave rather than in the fact that he will forget that's right that's the difference that's right and the religious idea that he will forgive. That's right.

That's the difference. That's right. And the religious idea that he will forgive comes part and parcel with, well, have you repented? And that means that you stop your sinning. You have to do something before he will forgive you. That's right. And so that's all conditioned, you see. But if we get it right, Christ paid in full. Here's what you, quote unquote, go to God with if you're sorrowful.

If you're sorrowful, it's, I'm sorry I haven't had the faith to trust you. Yeah, that you already forgave me and I'm not acting like you forgave me. Yeah, and I'm not acting in gratitude that you forgave me so much. By the faith, I fell in my flesh. So I'm sorry my faith is weak strengthen my faith i'm sorry i didn't love like you wanted me to i stole from my neighbor i failed to love like you wanted me to those are the ways because those are the two commandments faith and love can i do you mind if i keep asking please it's a good Why, if they don't believe that the return already happened,

right, then there's, they're, they're kind of correct in their position on sin. They're absolutely correct because that's why you read in the New Testament that the apostles will say, you know, and if you sin, he will forgive you if, and if you you do this it's all conditional because it was for them because they were under the law and they had to repent and he was coming and his bride had to be pure there were different rules for them and if you don't get that you're going to say what you're saying is a lie sean because the bible says they don't realize the context and application of that

bible and that's why we started with, you know, the New Testament, the collection of books. No, it's not. No, we're going to get to that. So the bottom line is for religion to exist, the New Testament has to be the model for us. Christ has not come back. And then you're right. We still are going into confession and we're repenting for every sin.

And God is deciding if the mediator is on our side or like the Mormons will say, well, the mediator has seen you do this sin a few too many times. You're going to have to wait a few years before you get his forgiveness you see that is not of god that's religion so the the payment for the sin on the cross wasn't a payment in full for those people at that time they had to repent so okay so without the perspective of fulfillment we can't make the argument of did Jesus pay for sin on the cross or not like that doesn't that's not an argument right right unless you think it's fulfilled right okay has to be fulfilled and that's why

fulfillment so important because again if it's not fulfilled he hasn't come back then he's gonna come back to take a pure bride so who is the pure bride the Mormons say we are the pure bride the catholics say we are etc etc so last question sorry everybody but what did jesus do in the return and the fulfillment to complete the forgiveness such a good question first pays for it yeah he dies Such a good question.

First pays for it. Yeah. He dies. His death is the propitiation, the payment for sin. The wages of sin is death. The wages, the payment. He died. Okay. Then he rose to show that God said, I accept your offering for dying for the wages of sin. Okay. accept your offering for dying for the wages of sin okay then he ascended into the heavenly realm to his father's king side where he mediated for his bride and then like the high priest of the old testament for the jews when the blood was accepted by god of the animals and bulls and

goats in the old testament the high priest came out to the people alive from the in came out and showed them and the people rejoiced our sins have been forgiven when he came out and he returned the jews saw that and they said he is the one And we followed him in faith the whole time. That closed the door on the whole thing.

That's why. That it was accepted by God. That's right. God accepted this. And his coming out proved that. So we are still in a day where the Christians are saying he hasn't come out yet. Therefore, the churches are all under the auspices of needing to repent and do everything ready and right. And but it is anachronistically false.

OK, so. That's wild, because. Jesus pays the wages on the cross. Christians use the language of we have to accept the payment. Yes, it's not God had to accept the payment. That's what it is. God had to accept that that was a worthy sacrifice. We don't have any control of that. So what did the believers, if they're waiting on God to accept the payment, what were the believers of that time before the return doing with those wages were they did they believe on the wages or did they like if they repent and believe for jews it was repent what

are they doing with with what christ did before christ yeah they were living uh according to what his bride had to be it It was only the bride that mattered. So it's like, doesn't really even have to do with Christ. It's becoming the bride for Christ. That's right. That is what Christians are doing. That's right. It's not really believing.

It's not really, it's being perfect. They had to be the ready bride what made them perfect though what made them perfect was his grace god's their faith and the grace god gave them but they were still under apostolic rule and the spirit to not be filthy and to obey what he said they had to do through his apostles.

So that means, you know, do this, do that, do this, do that. And it was all written there for them to do so that they would be ready. But when that was done, that's why they were such a unique group of believers. Because once that was done, it just became, it's all done now. Your sin's taken care of.

We all go back to the garden of eden christ has his bride we go back and as the children decide if how we want to live by the spirit but the work to get overcome adam's sin has all been done it's been finished from the death to the sin by christ and by the bride yeah actually right it's the bride and christ together that give us the unconditional that's right forgiveness and that's why in the book of revelation john will say uh jesus says come and the bride says come wow quotes the bride inviting now that's so wild okay so now we don't we are faith the bride's

faith was on it's still a little confusing to me but was on christ and his apostles giving them what they needed to do okay like okay faith in those instructions actually that was what their faith was and that's why jesus said if they receive you they will receive me if they reject you they're rejecting me wow so okay faith in the instructions which is why christians act the way they do that's right faith in repentance yes yeah that right okay that makes that's why they say you've got to do this that's why this kid that circling back to that conversation with the kid

he's like my faith is in the fact that i can say forgive me for yeah watching porn or whatever you guys are talking about okay and so that the bride's faith was in that the instructions would make them acceptable to God if they follow them. Our faith is in the fact that God accepted the payment, that the bride and Christ fulfilled all of the work that had to be done. That's right. And that we just live and it's all forgiven because of them.

Yeah. So. But the key, I'm sorry. No. The key is we don't, those who care live with scrutiny because they don't, they're grateful. And so they don't go and live like sin, sin like crazy. What they do is they war with their flesh. Will they still sin? Of course, because our flesh sins.

But the grace and the beauty is God paid for all of that. When you sin, which I do, I'm a sinner, when I sin, my heart is easily convicted. And so I broke in before God and I say, oh, you know, my flesh is so strong. I'm not strong in the faith. My love is failing. I just screamed at that guy and called him a name. Father, help me. Forgive me for my lack of faith and love.

Help me grow in those things. But it's not, please forgive me for yelling at my neighbor this is important because I used to be terrified that I would be driving my car as a Mormon an accident would happen I'd go off the cliff and I'd yell motherfucker and the last thing on my lips would be that so he's gonna punish me like the whole thing of like what are you gonna be doing when Jesus cut right it's like what are you gonna be like it's all gossip or something yeah like make sure you're doing the right thing yes and you gotta know that was Martin Luther's

reason for starting the Protestant Reformation we are just trying to take this to the place where religion doesn't own it anymore. Yeah, so sin, that's why you are able to be like, sin does not have any effect on our spiritual, or like our flesh doesn't have any effect on our spiritual- That's right. Worthiness with God anymore.

That's if Christ is in you abundantly, you know that. But if you don't have a presence within him strongly, then the sin that you do will have an effect on you. It will cause you to feel guilty and to be afraid of God. The religions operate off that old model of fear and law and God, because that's what comes from the Bible, but they don't realize the finished work.

So faith today, sin today, like fleshly problems are more a problem just for us in this life. That's the problem. It's the only place they have the hard location yeah and the effect of having faith in this life is that it releases you of the burden of the sin that's right in this life that's right it's none of it has to do with the next life it's how it functions in this life with your heart and God.

And that sin becomes an obstacle and you having a relationship with God because you don't trust that he covered it. Right. Rather than it being a thing that sends you to hell later on. Like it's just about this life. Yeah. And that's why I would suggest that when any human after Christ did his everything dies, they go to a place where God is just like, and they're probably going to be surprised at his love and just at how accepting he is of them.

That there is no more of this terror, but they may also be surprised at the lack of a home that they have in that realm of glory because he just isn't going to give it to him because they just chose not to believe so this is the closer to what the bible teaches about it all than what religions have done yeah and that length it's so hard because the language is the same that's right you say before when you've said choose to believe i'm like that's right you say before when you've said choose to believe i'm like that's what christians say you have to do like there's such a confusing it's

choosing to believe that it's done right not choosing to believe that it will be okay for you if you do x y and z that's right it's different in the yeshuan. It's choosing to believe he's in you and it's done. It's not choosing to believe so that you can escape hell and his wrath. Choosing to believe that he is okay with you, even though you're the way you are.

And that is such a central model, because if you don't believe you're okay the way you are before God, then you are going to be scrambling through life to find how to make yourself okay. Yeah. And you, and it's like disrespectful to the work that he's done. Yes. Yeah. I see what you're saying. That, that's one's been hard for me actually.

So glad we discussed it. Yeah. Thank you all for the indulgence and listening to but indulgences it's an important one yeah it's a big one yeah um so in the past two thousand years according to the scripture and evidence the world is getting worse and is going to end everyone's screaming we're at the height of that right now yeah everybody is screaming it.

So what do we say the next 2,000 years will be? Better. Better. Getting better. Yeah, we have the pendulum swings. We go crazy. We say defund police. We go this direction. We say, you know, put women in subjection into their men. We go back and forth, but bottom line, because of Christ, this world is getting better.

And all you got to do is look at the world before him and what it was and just give yourself a break. And then look what was after him till now. And has, have we just gotten worse and worse and worse? People will say, yeah, but all the same problems that exist today have always existed on earth. All of them fundamentally. Homosexuality, transgenderism, it's all been there. Nothing new to man is what the scripture says. But we have proliferation of technology that makes it look like certain groups are growing and bigger.

They get more press. They do this than that. And there are some things that are part of our society that make for social ills that are bigger today than, but bottom line, we have greater sanitation, greater literacy rates, greater, uh, keeping people alive, uh, saving them from disease that would have ruined them or killed them, where now it's just like, take an antibiotic and you're okay.

We have all technological, industrial advances. We're getting smarter with our world and environment. All of it is getting better. And that is because of Christ. And that is what we say as we continue to move forward and evolve in the faith that the model like the Yeshua model and others like ours will move the faith along to be concurrent with the advances that are happening in our society instead of being these archaic flat earthers. Sorry guys, looking, you know, and saying, you know know we're still back and we're falling apart

here i can't take it yeah it's always trying to find a thing that's the cause of the wrongness that we need to fix and then the world's going to get better if we fix it yes um okay in the last few thousand years everyone has thought that the New Testament is a collection of books. There's a literal verse that refutes that.

So what's the New Testament? The New Testament, here's why it's not a collection of books. Because that collection wasn't even started, really way later yeah the early Christians did not have a New Testament collection of books Jesus didn't have the book Jesus didn't have the books when you sat talking to the ratio Christi students and you asked them what script what is was scripture for Jesus? They could not understand that it wasn't the New Testament I know they did not it's like he did not the letters didn't exist

They are coming here to argue and they didn't even couldn't even realize that that was shocking. That was a shocking one Yeah, so that collection of books Unfolded over time it unfolded over access by virtue of the printing press. It was not agreed upon. The scripture to the people in Yeshua's day was the Old Testament.

The New Testament God describes in Jeremiah where he says it will be when I write my laws on people's minds and heart and no man will say no the Lord. So look at the New Testament, a great record of what God did. Yes. Inspired? I think so. I think really inspired. But again, that is not his New Testament. And when we make the Bible books his New Testament, we become lawyers and then we become arguers and then the faith divides. And that's exactly what's happened over the course of history.

Okay. Last 2,000 years, we are to follow the New Testament model for playing church. We kind of covered that. Okay. That model was for them, given by the apostles to hold them together in, like it says, until they came to a unity of the faith. And he gave some apostles and prophets, pastors and teachers, evangelists, he gave the fruit of the Spirit to them in abundance, until they came to a unity of the faith, because the bride had to be unified, and the bride, according to Scripture, had to come to the full measure. The bride, as a group of believers,

had to come to the full measure of Christ because when he came to take her, he could not be unequally yoked with her. She had to be a full measure of what he was. That's how perfection was important to them. And that's why they were under those rules that we are not anymore. Okay.

For the last 2 last two thousand years the resurrection is considered physical and coming to all in the future and it's a big one uh the best way to explain it is read first Corinthians 15 and ask God to show you what exactly Paul is saying. Pay particular attention after verse 30 and read what Paul says the resurrection is. Pay careful attention to what he says it is. The standard response is yes, but that isn't what Jesus did.

Jesus came out from the grave. And so we've had 2000 years of people believing we're waiting for the time when we will all come out of our graves And that is such a ridiculous notion. It's it's so off compared to what Paul teaches But I understand why people believe it because Yeshua did it He did it because he had to be seen as the one who was killed on the cross with the body that he was killed in.

Otherwise, if he had come back, you know, a perfect some other spirit thing, they wouldn't have even known. He also had to return with that body. So he would show the prince in his hands to his own. All of that was part of his thing. But Paul makes it clear. We are not going to come up out of the grave physically. One last thing, Delaney, about the resurrection.

Since Christ took his bride, the resurrection has been a continuing event for every individual on earth. When great-grandma, grandma, dad, mom died, they were immediately given their heavenly body based off God's good will and pleasure. And it's a spiritual body. Maybe it looks like us, perhaps.

Maybe it has hands and feet. I don't know. But it's a spiritual body. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. And we are not waiting for the graves to open for the insipid reason think about what has to happen of course christians say god can do everything wake up that isn't how it's going to happen right in the last 2000 years there was a biblical command for believers to be politically involved and this is that imperialism this is that colonialism that is going on in the world today, even under the auspices of different governments and different churches and movements,

the Seven Mountain Mandate and all of this junk. And it is all trying to take Christians to make this world ready for Christ's return. And they do it through political machinations and imposing Jesus' name on people. And what it does is it hurts people who don't believe on him, don't know him, and could really benefit in their life if they knew the real one and what his message was.

He never did anything, never said anything, never commanded anything political, and neither did his apostles. And you show me someone who justifies it. I'll show you someone who doesn't give a rat's rear end about what Jesus did in his life. All they care about is religion today and trying to govern the world through its power. That's right. Thank you for letting me rant today. the world through its power. That's right. Thank you for letting me rant today. How long will we go on? That's an hour. Look at that. We love you guys. Remember, things are coming up.

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