February 15th, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside 

LIVE CALL IN: February 15th, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside with Shawn McCraney and Delaney McCraney Norris

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I think we might be live, Sean. All right. And how are you guys? I'm Sean. That's Delaney. You may have seen us in the worldwide, I don't get the Bible, or the Yeshua teachings, or Tuesday night, part of the matter. Worldwide. Thank you for joining us. Do you want to introduce who you are and what you've done really fast? Sure. I'm Sean and I was LDS for the first 40 years of my life. I asked to be excommunicated from the church when I found out what I thought about it in addition to wanting to choose it to go back to it if i found out that it was true i then entered into a serious study

of the scripture and tested things relative to mormonism but also relative to evangelicalism and have found that both of them are full of holes truly uh god has been full of holes and yeshua his son is not full of holes but uh what men have done with the scripture and with the text and with the faith is full of cheesy swiss cheese hole and yes you end this uh You're saying that you're echoing Jeff on here, but someone...

Jeff, I don't know if you can see... Yeah, no. Let us know what's going on. I'll just fix it. The same thing, we are constantly figuring out new technical stuff. Once again, I have a baby on my chest. I'm not sure whether we'll be able to make those comments work today again, but I'll paste your comments into the screen.

Based on what you just said, we are part of ESGIS, which is a platform for dissecting the skills that you've got. And if you have a question, you can sort it off as a question based on that. This has gotten gray and old. Let's do the Todd father. Yeah. Do we know you personally, Todd father? I like that name.

Okay. We have some questions from several people. Before we go to those, I want to welcome our first guest, and she's cleaning and eva is the newest member of our family she already plays a significant role in a gesturing movement prayers for her parents and she makes noises. Ava, welcome. Thank you.

Ava is really happy to be here. Jeff, about half, okay. This is a struggle, guys. About half of it I would say um uh Todd O'Reilly no kidding hey Todd O'Reilly I remember you you were kind of a legend in politics and speaking and power so thanks for joining us. Give me one minute. We're working on some settings.

While Delaney's working on that, John Ruskin said, he is the greatest artist who has embodied in the sum of his works the greatest number of great ideas and i love that john ruskin's an interesting fellow and i thought that's an uh an interesting um quote we're waiting on the bible how about some quotes i don't think they're hearing you oh wow hold on children, these things happen. Продолжение следует...

you Thank you. Oh, I heard something. Yeah. Can you all hear us now? I'm hoping that you might be able to. Echo cancellation.

Okay. Tension with us. Love when I make tensions like that. Yeah. to and you all hear us hoping that you might be able to and you all hear us now? Can you all hear us now? All right. It sounds like you can hear us a little bit, perhaps quietly. I'm really sorry, guys. I'm not sure what to say here we're working on it this is disappointing for me I apologize dad sorry there's no apology necessary the technical issues are I apologize, Dad. Sorry. There's no apology necessary.

The technical issues are a constant, especially when we are a two-person show and you're the only one who knows the technology. Yeah. And, all right. So. And all right, so. All right, we're going to see if this works. Switch to sign language, right? Says it sounds good. We're going to try it from here.

I really apologize. Yeah. Okay. Sorry again. Let's move into questions. Is it possible to be unequally yoked with the Christian faith? This is coming from the Yeshuins AI bot, Shawnee. I think that was really important to be equally yoked in the day of the apostolic record. And because, in fact, so much so that if they couldn't be paul said just don't even get married which is a direct contradiction against you know the unity of one man to one woman going all the way back to god's advice to adam and eve

but paul in his day say it's better to be like me why did paul say that obviously wasn't to us and the rest of the world it was to them and to be equally yoked because they were under a great deal of stress and challenge the fact of the matter is today um it's better if you can be equally yoked in more things than less but uh you know sometimes there's a faithful believer who brings a spouse around to the faith. And sometimes it's the reverse, husband to wife, wife to husband.

And I just don't think we go by that law anymore. Bottom line, we are all unequally yoked in some way or another anyway. A wife might believe in one thing, the husband another. That's unequally yoked. So I think that's kind of an old formula for that day and age. All right. Todd, or Todd Father says, yes, you will be happy to understand I left the cult about 10 years ago.

And by the way, how's your sister Bridget doing? Hey, she's doing great. I just talked to her yesterday. And she's married with four kids. talked to her yesterday and she's married with four kids. One of them is on a mission now. But yeah, glad you left it, brother. Good job. I always knew you were a smart one. Okay. We addressed last week is communion in all four Yeah, we talked about it.

Christ is had a God. Yeah. Christ had a God calling him God, the son that diminishes the sacrifice of Christ. There is just a whole smattering of frustration from all the angles about that. A lot of it is that we are mistrans, you're mistranslating it. We're mistranslating it. Do you want to just clarify that principle? Or like, what's that? The philosophy? Well, bottom line, it's this.

If Jesus, who we say his name's Yeshua, if he was God, the Son, which is what the Trinity made him out to be God, the Son, like the Holy Spirit is God the Holy Spirit and the Father is God the Father, then there's a whole bunch of problems relative to his incarnation, his death. For instance, let's just throw one at you.

If he was truly a pre-incarnate person that was God the Son from all eternity, co-equal with the Father and the Spirit. When he died, who died? Was it God the Son? Did God the Son offer up his life so God died? Was God the Son walking around since a baby on earth and God the son was literally the same as God the son in a pre-mortal state? And if that's so then who died on the cross? And you can say and then why did he say my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Was he forsaking God the son? There's so that's just tip of the iceberg questions

that come in when men have added their own opinion of who yeshua was can i ask like uh to i don't have a specific comment i can pull from but the general thing that I think is confused I want to understand that to me this feels logically in like motivated in a way that's like Greek or Athenian the way we talk about how you can't understand things logically but we're like retroactively criticizing it logically is there anything there that it's like we have a logic now that they didn't go by back then that we're retrofitting onto God?

Do you get what I'm saying? I do. I don't know how to answer it. It is logic, and there is reason, but we're human, and we have to do that. Yeah. there is reason and because but we're human and we have to do that yeah so because mainly because people's defense of the trinity is always we can't understand god or you know they like make it into this that they make that same argument they're going by logic yeshua said this is life eternal to know him the only true god and his son whom he sent and he didn't say and the holy spirit to fit

in with the three-person model so those are just endless so all we do is try to take the biblical content put it in piles and see where is it consistent with each other and the trinity's not consistent yeah um the one of the specific comments you are confused you mistranslate it of course that whatever you're citing here in this video um someone says i think the trinity is supposed to be the harder thing to understand but somehow the unitarians sound more confusing to themselves as if you're unitarian they uh they cling to john 17 3 every time do you want to

address that i don't see this is the thing i'm we are not anti-trinitarian in the typical sense because anti-trinitarians say that jesus was not god we aren't saying that. Yeah, that. Yeah, because a lot so a lot of appeals in these comments, sorry, it's a broad strokes right now. But we there's so many comments that I have to use parentheticals, but or was paraphrase, sorry, but um, like, people will combat your comments and be like using similar logic where they're like word is logos and that is forever and that is what is eternal about christ yeah

it's like they're not hearing the full argument i guess right That's the problem with snippets on. Yeah, definitely. Especially with us because it takes years of talking to get when we say a final point, people don't know the backstory to the final point. That's true, which is why social media is not what we should be doing.

But but for that comment it trips me up because i'm like my response is that they actually don't understand the trinity would you say that absolutely that's actually the problem here like and i think that's a huge problem is that most christians i think think of the trinity in the way that you actually think god is made up yeah and and so then when they fight for the trinity they're fighting with your logic right like for the trinity which is saying the opposite is that a problem that you see yeah it's okay absolutely that way bottom line most people

do not understand the trinity okay if they, then we could have a different conversation. Okay. Okay. Over to the Heart of the Matter YouTube, someone said, Chris Namalka is such a bad person, which I just want to delete all comments that are blanket statements like that. I don't know who Chris Namalka is, though.

And this is on the path. That's probably a true statement. Is it pretty bad well what's his deal uh he he came forward as a new prophet he's the mighty wow we had him on a show years ago yeah that's everybody okay he he he is uh from many uh reports I'm not saying that he is, but many reports suggest that he's a very bad person.

And the reason I couch it that way is because he sues you. He's got a brother or somebody who's an attorney and he goes after you. He also has played a big number on women, put them in like some slavery stuff. Pretty diabolical dude horrible okay um hey sean have you heard from that john o'fallon guy through the years no no can you summarize i don't even really know the full john o'fallon so can you give us this yeah when we were on television and we were taking live calls a man called in and he said his name was

john but our screener put john o'fallon uh he was really john from o'fallon chicago okay so we called him john and then he called maybe three to five times over the course of the show. And he cast me out. He told me that he was going to come and use the power of Smith's whatever. It was comical. And he's the one who he said, I now by the power of the priest did cast you out.

And when I was on the show, I went, oh, is that what's supposed to happen? So he provided a lot of entertainment and he said, I'd take you on any time, buddy. You know, I'm fit. I go to the gym. I actually don't know if he was legitimate. He could have been like a little guy who loves making. He could have been on our side guy who loves making yeah he could have been on our side for all i know yeah okay um oh a common commenter who is usually says some um What is the word? Guys, mom brain.

He's not for us. Is in here. And he says, have your minds become renewed since you became a Christian? My mind is being renewed. My mind is not fully renewed. And my mind will never be fully renewed. I try to walk in the mind of Christ. But the question becomes becomes where is the mind uh it doesn't say renew your brain so the mind is probably a combination of your might will emotion and it's really resides in your heart so I've certainly had my heart renewed but my mind if you look if you put it in with my brain, is still a work in progress.

And a recent teaching you had, R.D. Albright, please follow up on that if you have anything. But a recent teaching that you had revealed your heart to you. I wanted to ask you this. Because your heart is renewed. i wanted to ask you this yeah because your heart is renewed but then the whole thing that we think the bible is saying and that religion opposes is going out into the world and having god show you your heart which is usually not in a good spot even though it's been renewed so what what do you

think is going on there like you learned something about your heart that wasn't renewed yeah well i think that we deceive ourselves as human beings we're such limited creatures and you can delude yourself to thinking that you've got it down with god and i had in some sense and it wasn't until he He showed me that there was a deficit in my heart.

By the way, I love the size of that phone. That clock. That's so cool. The clock on my phone. You know, it's so big. It is. Thanks. Keep going. Yeah. So, you know, God, it's, this is found in the scripture. He purges you. He cuts you back as a means to bring forth more fruit. I was cut back a week or so ago over a thing where it was revealed to me firsthand experience that my heart was still wicked in some ways, especially when tested, when challenged, in some ways, especially when tested, when challenged, and when refused by God. And it caused a rebellion in me akin to Cain when he offered sacrifice and it wasn't pleasing to God and he got mad.

So I think that, you know, until the fullness of Christ abides in us, and that means is fully operational within us us is when your flesh is dead. And that's, you know, as long as we're alive, I can be praising Jesus and the right person can cross my line of sight and I can become hateful or lustful or angry.

So let's get over the idea that we think that we walk perfectly in this life. Renewed, not permanently. Okay. Randy in York, Pennsylvania texted. He's texted before and he said, what's next on the eschatological timeline? That's an interesting question. You know, I believe in the historicist view that there are repeated cycles that the world goes through is that the historicist oh that's interesting so uh but i don't believe they are tied into jesus coming back he's come back there's no more coming back unless you want to think that what we've proposed is we think he came back first in the physical sense for his bride and we

said that on january 6 he returned in spirit for all believers around the world to rise up in us as a means to fortify us against this this world and its craziness i think that is a historicist cycle of themes but uh so that's what's next is christ more and more improving this world through his victorious reign over it that is it we were just talking about that this morning his dear sunday school teaching is a really great series you can get on the yeshuans app are on youtube um but it's it explains a lot about the change of the spirit over and and

i encourage everyone to listen to it because it's helping me especially understand that the how radical that makes things when you think of god as changing across time and there it is possible that christ works with us in a different way in the future than he does right now. And I mean, we'd be fools to think otherwise, you know? So it's scary because religion has done so much to oppose that.

But Derek said, how about the Nordic Viking? Remember the Derek Webster, the nordic he's i said you definitely have the stories we need to hear when he said sean should know the guy that used to threaten him when the show was based at redwood road he said he was the big bad viking do you remember this guy i don't oh i had several people who threatened me one was a a big Samoan. I had several who threatened, but none of them ever did anything.

Yeah, people are. I don't remember the big bad Viking. I remember the guy who said having a cow skull was offering idolatry to a pagan Egyptian god. Lots of things like that. My gosh. Someone just commented. I don't have it pulled up right now but over on social media which is going to be changing fyi we're going to be changing how we're doing that because we don't like what's going on but they commented and said um sean like you helped me convert back in the day like it's wild to see um just how the world has changed and everything you like

everything you were saying on tv is everyone has access to now like they just really made it clear in the comment that you were doing work at a specific time that you know people think they're doing now like i don't know you know it just broke something open i'm grateful for that um i had someone really close to me who's lds tell me that everything we talk about and have talked about the lds and a great deal has embraced so 20 years ago we're talking about they don't talk about jesus is now that's all they do and that we have had an influence on them and i just want you to consider

this we we what we are talking about now will have an influence on christianity in 20 years yeah and uh in a major way we're seeing more and more people come to the reality of fulfillment yeah yeah christian yeah everyone is grasping at straws for some way forward with their faith. And Yeshuans, I think, is coming at the world from that reality that every single person has their own little way of doing it.

And what are we going to do about that well welcome little one welcome ava you just poked your head up to say hello i just got from billy out in new york he sent me a clip of a guy i think he's ugandan who wrote a book called the church has hidden that christ has returned you know and people who are reading and seeking it they see it and it liberates you can i ask you my own question of course we're a little slow on questions today you can see on the screen call 220-222-4686 hopefully we get it because our tech is ridiculous but um i found an instagram today um i found an instagram today and i really wanted to ask you about it it's a person called latter day struggles they have a podcast they are active lds and but their work

specifically talks about four stages of faith and faith development and that they're addressing that their own church, the LDS church is stuck in stage two and that's the problem of it. So the stages are chaotic, antisocial, like a baby. So it's self-interested, self-survival. These are faith stages.

The second is formal institutional conformist, rule-based dogmatic. This is where many get stuck. And she's saying the LDS church is here. Stage three is a skeptic individual falling away, but progress. Stage four, communal mystic, embracing mystery, non-tribal unity deep compassion the goal of mature faith i think in so many words it's saying what we're trying to say or and whatever but of course it goes toward like community which where i think we're different anyway that being said she's criticizing the church itself as being stuck in a phase and i i curious how you would address that. Like I think I

personally think it's not stuck. It's based in stage two and it will never get out of that but we're kind of calling for the church to progress into the different states. So do you have any thoughts on that? Yeah I think that there's something to what she says.

I think that we've talked here about it being reflected in architecture. How in the she's saying the last phase is this shamanistic kind of, but the the the phases of religion start with a shaman. It's kind of mystical open. Yeah. with a shaman it's kind of mystical and open yeah like they regret yeah oh and that the second phase was um uh the order and the structure the third was the clerical when they became institutionalized so as an institution it goes backward kind of yeah it starts communal and like yeah as an institution it starts right yeah and then it gets more and more structured with laws rules they get bigger so they have to

stop caring for the individual the corporation becomes the the key i think they're stuck in the managerial age right now i think that's after the clerical managerial age is like, this is how we do it, you know, and they lose when they change from that. And so I think that's what they're facing. We don't want to lose more.

How do we keep the managerial and the clerical in place while appearing to be more open? And they're inconsistent with each other. That's true. They're struggling with that yeah okay andrea crouch hey how's she doing she's good she commented on our last fireside and she said i understand philosophy quote unquote like the word that we're using might feel awkward and perhaps vague but it's a likely perfect fit here biblical realities of are what i've learned from mccraney for 15 years concrete stuff congrats

um yeah i and it's a biblical philosophy i think that's a really important like adjective yeah to use when you're talking about us and your work right it comes to describing me it has to say that jeff days just donated 12 in the chat you're the only one that's ever done that for us and it's so nice thank you it will go a long way yeah um has your delaney has your architecture study and work giving unique perspectives that you find useful or relatable to your faith life but truvia spoke of utility

convenience beauty and strength and structures yeah a hundred percent i think that's why we are calling me like the metaphysical architect because I'm I'm trying to for since I was in grad school so since 2020 I've been trying to work on a certain specific thought um and it's really related to the faith and in school there was it's not as um uh in line of what like vitruvius was doing but the contemporary thought process going on with architects is more about what material is and especially in the age of

like the digital so like thinking of an image as material or things like that because architects are kind of drowning and figuring out who they are as most professions are so that I was really in that camp of thought of people who were working on they were mostly talking about digital versus physical but the at the core of it was what is material and I think that's what you've been doing and i actually think the faith the work at yeshuans is working on like something like a subjective materialism

it's not even subjective faith it is for us in the context of christ, but out in a broader, more philosophical sense, it's subjective materialism where people in the face of 2026 with all the technology and everything, what we're doing now is deciding how we relate material to truth. Each person, each person's doing that in their religion, each person's doing that with their politics, whatever.

And everyone has their own there are eight billion definitions for material you know so i think there's something related i don't know if that answers your question jeff but in in terms of theory i think it's very architectural i also think what i do for you is architectural now that material is not necessarily a brick or a uh stick of wood but it's like a concept that's as material as a physical uh block of concrete today for us.

And so the materials of what Sean has produced in his life are like there for the taking to build something for me. That's how I kind of see my work as architectural. I'm wondering if that makes sense to a normal person or if it's way too out there.

It makes sense to me more because I've learned, but I got to tell you guys, I always thought, cause I read the fountainhead that architecture was all about, you know, learning how to draw a schematic maps on how to build a building or a house. But the fact of matter is while Delaney was in architectural school and then i went and visited her several times and then we've had hundreds of conversations what they really operate on are forms of thought and they are in fact they they graduate from architecture school they probably none of them can probably like draw a blueprint no not at all yeah yeah it's a funny

thing that the practice architecture like just fun fact for this the education is not responsible to teach you anything like you are the practice once you get into an office and start working that's when you're supposed to like gain expertise like a doctor does in residency so school takes like explicitly does not take the responsibility to teach you anything normal or like useful and people really get pissed off about it because they go to school and pay all this money and they're like i don't know how to do anything but for delaney i loved it was of immense value because

she has taken concepts for me and we've worked through them and they've improved the quality of what we do and i i mean i don't think there's any better training even in law i think it's better to get a degree in architecture a master's in that than law yeah i mean for me yeah it's an education if you want it to be that teaches you how to like think kind of yeah i think that's what it did for me their her experience i don't know if it's is, I think schools just are politicized what they're teaching. It's, it was difficult. Okay. Someone, thanks for that question, Jeff. Someone

said on you calling out Joseph Smith with tithingph smith in the church of tithing said you can come back it's between you and god whether you're a tithe payer we we have quite a few comments like that where it's like just come to church and don't pay your tithing what's the big deal that's another one of those things are like people making what they want out of it but i've been someone's yeah someone just went off about that sentiment. Well, so this is in the context of us going back and me saying I want to join the church

and what the first question was, will you pay tithe? And I said, No. Well, if you want to go back and play a religious game, then go ahead and say whatever and join the church or be part of it and just don't do it. That's not the point point the point is that if i'm going to be honest and have integrity i have to be honest in what i would say and when i was honest they said you can't join so your your response whoever you are is missing the point thank you for that um linda kreutzer who's commented quite a bit do you remember her i remember that name but

something is telling me be afraid yeah it's she just is opinionated i don't know if she's for again so she comments a lot she said probably from the reformed theology thingy churches i am witnessing that people including including the youth, are returning to classical, traditional Protestant and Catholic churches, which is very true.

There's a huge swing back. She says, I think that people are fed up with the me, me, me, woke liberalism and weak theology. The hard part is that we are heavily put in that camp. Yeah. And that is not what we're saying at all. No. So another thing where we're really getting misunderstood, but how would you clarify? I would say there's a difference between a denominationally backed theology and the truth.

And so, you know, what the masses do is when things become uncertain, they run to the place of safety. So they're running to what's easy, dogma. And so they say, this is going to give us our solution. Yeah. But that dogma, especially from the Catholic church, come on, man. Yeah. So. Yeah. No one acknowledges.

Yeah. That's why we can't do social media because we're not even like protestant or something like people associate us with like people that are just going jesus and like yeah like it's so weird yeah but this is an actual deeply uh articulated theological and the thing about what we present is it's great to have the jesus experience fine dandy it comes in many different ways but are you growing and maturing in your faith in your love that's it and that is beyond theological that is training people how to do it why to do it

and why it's important um okay you're doing good did you have any questions no doing good um okay so same from randy from york on the eschatological timeline phases of religion are like the hands going around on a Salvador Dali clock. How do you balance being led by the spirit of Christ and wanting to go by the Bible? What even is the Bible good for? Yeah, it's good to show us what God did through people and nation and his son and the spirit. And that's what it's good for. And then you can look at principles derived from that

and decide how to live your life. So that's what it's good for. How do I determine how to live in the face of all that information? It's really simple. If what I am believing and what I am teaching and what I am walking by leads to agape love, selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love for others, mercy for others.

That means when they least expect it, a heart for the poor, a heart for those who are less blessed than I am. Then I think my interpretation of that biblical passage is probably closer to the truth than not. Okay. Oh, a discussion clip. I don't even, I mean, a lot of our comments come from clips. So it's hard. But on one where titled religion, especially the LDS hate when you become difficult, is just something you and I were talking about on an epiphany.

A few comments. Real talk. You all miss what Jesus said when he was saying if you can't accept that this is the way to live and orient your life, then you will perish eternally. Someone else said you must like the watered down non-Bible teaching churches of today. said you must like the watered down non Bible teaching churches of today.

Of course, how do you spec to be a supporter by an institution supported by an institution when you want to bring in your own values? It's not a democracy where everybody is to tell what the particular religion principles should be. That's the problem with it. Because it really is a democracy.

We look at what every individual chooses to believe anyway. So that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they have to embrace my views, but they won't let me exist with my views if I make them public. That's the thing. By the way, on the You Must Like the Watered Down teachings, someone did say it's not like he teaches the Bible verse by verse or anything like that.

Was that a joke? No, like someone like someone defending you like are you freaking joking like you don't you water down the bible like jeez louise that's the problem with this form it just is it's really for monkeys i'm sorry if you're on social media but it's really just for our entertainment yeah what it does for me at this point is give me a sense of what is going on in the world yeah um when you see your earnest really simple video get put up of just a really basic like hard to argue concept and everyone is really angry about it and

um and this is that video and those responses in particular voice the spirit of the frustration with like protestants or with us which is that christ did one thing he didn't do something different for all of us oh i see he did one thing what is that thing we need to figure out that one thing and all do it the same oh yeah like that's what they think and like you're saying yeah there's there's a different way to be a christian for each of Yeah. And the reason what we back that up by is that you want theology.

You want the Bible. Yeshua did not come. The mortal Messiah did not come to you or me today or to a non-Jew. He just didn't. So why you read his words then and try to follow his life as the mortal Messiah in that day and age is not the call. The call is to walk by him in spirit and truth through the power of his spirit, which he gave at Pentecost and left the church in charge of.

So right there, we have a huge problem with people thinking you got to follow jesus what was the one thing the one thing was him to take care of everything through the nation and he what he taught doesn't really have direct application to you and what the apostles did didn't have no like it's not like the rest of the bible does that's's a big problem too. Right.

Even Paul doesn't because he was to the Gentiles of that age to prepare them to join the bride as prophesied for the great and dreadful day. So it's a very, look, we know what we are saying is tough, but the problem with the response you get from social media, it's like this. If we posted a video that said just want you to know I love Jesus.

That's all it says Someone will write. Yeah, but do you follow him? You follow him though and someone right? Yeah, but does he love you look at this world and there would be 300 comments Just on making that so this this thing it's like the epstein thing you know what it's doing it's keeping us all off track of what we should be doing spinning us out of control with diversions so we're getting off of it right yeah all right good someone is calling yeah all right good someone is calling awesome great we love the calls all right you're on live you're on live hey guys hey who is this hello hello

Hello? Jeremy? Yes? Hey! Hi. It's me, Lindsay from Hawaii. Oh, it's Lindsay! Hey, what's going on? Lindsay! Aloha, guys! Aloha! Aloha, our Hawaiian brother. Am I coming through okay? Yeah, you're here. We hear you. You're coming through all right. Hey, awesome. I just wanted to thank you for all you do,, but also take a puff of a bear for our brother bear for sharing your most intimate stories with us.

Oh, last week? Yeah, that sounds like the worst stories you got, almost the best revelations to all of us. Thank you so much. Thank you,indsay how are you brother i'm good brother everything is a blessing how's your mom and dad they're both so blessed we all but uh yahweh has been to us these years and we now live on the east side of the big island oh and that has that has now signed up with the va and uh the va they see these care of us now we're so blessed over here we actually live up paradise

and we're you turn right on uh i will believe which is ginger Ginger Street. So we're very much in the middle of paradise. Wow, that's beautiful. And I saw you... How you doing, man? We're doing good. I saw you sent... I haven't watched it yet of you singing with your son or your brother. The last one I sent you was my brother and sister doing sign language.

Oh, okay. I haven't looked at that yet, Lindsey. It's all right, it's all right, brother. I just want to thank you for sharing most interesting stories with all of us. So wonderful to see your light shine. I'm so happy that you were around by your departure date. Yeah, well. I'm glad you're here with all of us thanks lindsay that's a good brother this is my seventh day with you this is my seventh year with you guys are you there yeah oh sorry we i think we cut you off for a second oh wait lindsay are you there

Oh, wait. Lindsey, are you there? No, this is not Lindsey. It's a guy. Oh. No, Lindsey's a guy, too. Sorry. We were on the other line. I think I cut Lindsey off. But who's this? Hey, guys. It's Curtis and Daunted. What's up? Oh, hey. Curtis and Daunted. How you doing? We haven't seen you in a while.

Oh, man. I'm feeling... I already... You guys know i have a traumatic brain injury from excessive concussions and i fell last week and hit myself again so i'm trying to recover slowly oh i'm sorry about that hang in there brother oh it's all good hey i uh it's it's been a minute and i'm thinking a little clear and I like today's subject.

So I thought I'd just call and say, hey, what's up? We're glad you did, man. fascinating again uh once you've come and found or developed or whatever you want to call it with proper terms with and i want to make sure i'm saying it right yes you win yeah is that how you're saying it that's how we say it but you could say yes you win yes you win whatever way you want well i'm just i i never heard of this sean honestly, honestly, until you. And I've been investigating on my own for a good year.

And I got to tell you, I studied some Buddhism for a minute and some other philosophy, just trying to figure some stuff out. And I don't know, but what you come up with has really given me some peace. It's been a rough 10 years for me. Yeah. But the last couple of years things have come together and it's to me so great to know that the bible was written for older times back old testament as you're saying just a second ago more jews yep and today we would call me a gent definitely definitely 2 000 years later that was not written for me.

It's nice to think that Jesus already came past 10. Yeah. Because I have a lot of people that say there's no God today. Look at the world. Look at the politics, social media. We are bipolar as ever. And I liked what you just said about the last time it is all a distraction in my opinion that jesus did come past tense he came and now we just have to like wake up be nice to each other play nice follow the two commandments love the lord thy god likened to it the second love thy neighbor period be nice play nice die do whatever that's right you know i just like it

because it's it's simplified and i get what you're saying because i've followed you since at least 0608 and it makes sense to me and i just wonder will there be more people who are open to it and either way does it matter and i wanted to ask your take on that. Since I did serve a mission, you served a mission.

We were both seminary teachers in the past. What could we say prophetizing wise with Yeshua? Basically, is that something you should preach? What's Jesus' stance today on proclaiming the gospel and whether it's successful or not? Do we just do the best we can? Then he's in charge. Would you guys comment on that? Yeah, brother.

You know, what I would say is that the spirit is in charge and has been for 2000 years. If we are asked as yes, you wins what we have hope in and believe we would share what we have uh but we would say but you can go as your way as you want because christ is taking care of all of it there is no proselytizing mission but there is an attempt to share the truth to help educate people so they can be liberated like you and i have been and delaney curt. Okay. Yeah.

I like the short answer. I like how you just, as they say, kiss, keep it simple. I really think I've enjoyed watching you getting to know you from afar because I think it's a full circle journey. I, at this point, absolutely believe that Jesus is the Lord. I'm saved by grace all as well. So I could even be a Buddhist right now. Amen.

I could even go back to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Amen. Amen. It's all good and bad. This world feels like both heaven and hell. It just depends on our dimensions. Yep, you're right. Now we agree with you, Curtis. Well, thanks for taking my call, guys.

Thank you, brother you wrap it up thank you so much curtis bye i want to hold it on the first show no jeff says the baby's microphone is exactly at the right level uh this is the best bjorn which is what we call him, best grandpa. Last question of the day. Have you seen the movie Wild Robot? And can you recommend some of the Spirit of Christ movies that people don't consider Christian? That is his forte.

You know what? I'll give you one right now, just off the top of my head it's an older movie and I think it is just absolutely beautiful and I just found out that it's Slavoy Zizek's one of his favorite movies and it's called The Ice Storm. Oh wow. It's by Ong Lee and it's it is not Christian by any means in fact it covers some subjects that are really quite graphic but uh overall you ought to take a look at the ice storm and you should take a look at new bottles thank you all for really a lot of patience with us is what it's all about that's all

and we'll see you next week with better tech we hope love you guys love you guys so much you got bad