March 15th Fireside

LIVE CALL IN: March 15th, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside with Shawn McCraney and Delaney McCraney Norris

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Start. Hey, everybody. Welcome. It is March 15th. It's Sean. I'm Sean. I'm Delaney. I'm his daughter. We're part of Yeshuans. How you doing? Good. What's Yeshuans again for anyone who's new? Yeshuans. What is it? It is an online educational platform. It's an approach.

It is a deodorizer that hangs in any car of any person that says, I just want to walk in faith and love. Don't tell me what my faith should be based on. Just let me walk in faith and love. And we side with you. Of course, we believe that this was all possible by Christ and the fulfilled work he brought to the earth. But you can differ with that too. We just want there to be unity in faith and there to be an attempt to love.

Attempt. You can, this is our weekly hour where you can call in two two zero two two two four six eight six text that um the numbers on the screen and or you can chat in the chat right now it's just sarah who says nice beanie did someone crochet that for you sean yes my little granddaughter ava she knitted this for me no i found this in my uh in my drawer and i couldn't find my standard so i just thought i'd wear this it kind of goes along with my vibey knitted crochet like granola peace love kumbaya understanding

um okay so there's a handful of questions this week and we'll get to them do you have anything to start before we do i just want to start one thing uh we have somebody who lives here in the state of utah i'm gonna hold this. And this is a mailer he got. And it says there on the mailer, Gathering Israel.

It has a picture of Jesus on the front. It says, The Gathering has begun. Join it. That's what's in there. And you turn it around, and it says, It's time. And what is it? It says, We connect people with missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They're calling this gathering Israel.

Mormons believe that they are the new Israel and that they have brought the real Israel to the earth. It's not what Paul says, that we are Israel by faith. It's Israel by membership, and they have supplanted what the Jews lost. And this is what we're fighting against. This is the tactic they use to haul people in and put them in bondage.

That infuriates me. That is absolutely insane. Yeah. You think that the, sometimes I go into thinking that eschatological views of people are lower than other things and it's not that important and then stuff like this happens and you're like oh my gosh it's absurd yeah um well absurd and by the way the greatest television program ever created on the idea of absurdity is none other than Green Acres.

And everybody should watch Green Acres to see what absurdity is all about. All right. I haven't watched Green Acres. Well, we'll have to do that together. Okay. Yeah. Sarah says, oof, textbook cult. recruiting. Yeah. Okay. So a few, a few questions from this week. Let's just start with on your Matthew 4, 17 verse 5 verse teaching. Oh wait. So this is a long one. We'll start with the start.

start just say you're sorry for wronging someone don't tell god don't tell god don't tell them you don't have to apologize to a person you hardly ever see because you wrong them but you like them they liked you you have guilt wrong them you can never make it right only through jesus can you hand them joy imagine how many times you've been wronged by single serving friends that gave you up to satan it goes on they realize they suck because they became christian anyway on apologizing is that the what's what the topic is that he's

trying to comment on it seems like it seems like it i don't know i take what yeshua said and he said agree with your adversary quickly so uh you know why not take the hit paul criticized the early saints for suing each other and not working it out between themselves i just think it's always a great policy to try to practice peacemaking when possible. Yeah. I've heard people say that they think apologizing is self-serving though.

Like it's for you to feel better. It really can be. And that's why there's discernment of the spirit that's necessary and not some hard and fast rule. When I was under a therapist care years and years ago, I thought that I was going to go around and apologize to all these people I had hurt.

And her thing was, you know, you just might bring up something they've already dealt with and that's kind of self-serving yeah like they they're hurt by it they don't want to have to face it again yeah and you are doing something to appease your yeah so i get what that comment means and just you know hey trust god be sorry in your heart yeah well we had a lady see us the other day in a restaurant, Delaney and Larry and I and Ava. And the first thing she said was, I think I owe you an apology. And, you know, it was kind of that thing right then and there, wasn't it? She wanted to feel better about sitting in the same restaurant area with us.

Yeah. The first thing, you know, when there had been years of no apology. The first thing, you know, when there had been years of no apology. Yeah, and suddenly she sees there is a lot of truth to the idea that we serve ourselves with apologies. Okay. On that same teaching said, correction, Israel is not that Jewish.

It is secular, the state of Israel, not the spiritual Israel. That is you and me. We are Israel. We are not Israelis. Would you agree with that? Oh, totally. Okay. secular the state of israel not the spiritual israel that is you and me we are israel we are not israelis would you agree with that oh totally okay yeah israel today you're absolutely but even back in yeshua's day it was almost secular okay from when the sun goes down on our hebrews chapter 12 they said what do you all think of this verse matthew 24 19 and

woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days she said do you think this might be connected with abba taking kids under a certain age back to heaven before the tribulation of course, as there is no pre-trib rapture. I think that Yeshua is clearly telling them, look at, he says, you better hope.

He said, I don't know when the day is coming, but you better hope it doesn't come in winter. You better hope it doesn't come on a Sabbath day when the gates of the city are closed. And you better hope that, you know, if you're a woman who has a child, that you're not breastfeeding because you're going to be running for the hills and trying to escape. That's what I think it means.

OK. OK. Let us continue on the hebrew a clip of talking about hebrews shutting down mormonism claims to priesthood nothing is fake having been raised in a completely different religion finding the gospel jesus christ ordained to the priesthood i have hundreds of personal experiences with the priesthood it's not fake if you have faith how do you respond to something like that i say that it's not your priesthood that's doing jack i say it's god doing acting on behalf of those who he deems necessary to act. And what you're saying is your priesthood

is a clear indictment on your idolatry that you give credit to experiences with the priesthood as if that is your power. Dude, your priesthood doesn't mean jack relative to a contextual understanding of Hebrews. It is a false. It is fake.

And if you have miracles and signs and wonders through that thing, my question would be who's given them to you? Yeah. Yeah. I struggle sometimes with articulating a response to appeals to experience because that's what we're so grounded in is the fact that that's reality and the fact that we have had experiences like it's really hard. What is your perspective on that? I say you got to be very careful if you play a place, a lot of attention on experiential verifications.

There are forces, there are darknesses, there are angels of light, apparently. I don't know if they're still working. There are our own desires. There are things we want to see fulfilled. There is what we eat that day and how it's energized us. And I think that is all what religion plays to. They play to experience, emotionalism.

It's very much of this world. And I think that you have to truncate that with the spirit of truth, which is love, with the understanding of the text. So when you, it's so funny because they appeal to their experience, but they hate people that are like, you know, I'm a woman. I was born in a man's body or like they, they, they hate those appeals to experience and call them mental disorders.

So what do you say about your experience on the road? I've heard, I was just going over an interview you did, and you say the thing you do know is the proof of it. It's like I was once an effer and now I'm not an effer anymore. The result of it in your life is what you know, not the experience itself. Is that right? Yeah. life is what you know not the experience itself is that right yeah and so while i was overjoyed personally with the experience that's what a human would do when they have some kind of interaction

with god but the interaction and the overjoyed is experienced by muslims and buddhists and hindus and everything they are exultant in their relationship with God. And we would say, no, they can't. So experience is just a cheap, it's a cheap fix to convince ourselves that something's true.

And I just have learned over the course of my life that it is the place where you can be preyed upon more by religion than anything else is through emotions experience what you felt what you saw and i've been subject to that i've i've fallen prey to that too you know i thought that i was certain that i knew and you can really be beguiled by that you know yeah all we all we have evidence for is the, or not evidence, all we see in terms of religious experience is that there's a million of them in different places.

Yeah, William James and the Varietas religious experience. Exactly. And so that's my question always. Well, why is yours superior to the Muslim? You know? So experience is a feeling, and it's like in the train of knowing. There is the facts. There's faith. There's facts. And there's feelings. That's the order.

The faith is pulling the train. The facts support the faith and the feelings of the caboose. But with religion and mystical, it's feelings first, faith second, and facts at the caboose. And that's how you have to try to analyze everything is through the right order versus the reverse.

So when you're talking to an atheist, like on Anthony McInbosco interview, and he's saying, this is just you, it's just your experience, you're arguing not for the feelings that you have, but for the facts of it in your life. Yeah. But also that it's still subjective is that right both and that i can't tell you it's for you i just can tell you i was blind now i see you know that's what i told anthony i and that's not a feeling no uh it's just that's a funny that's a great thing to point out because Seeing is a sense, but we see, but we don't feel.

That's a great way to determine how God has changed you, is you see differently. You perceive and understand differently, but you don't feel it. When you see something, you don't feel anything by what you're seeing. You feel how you interpret it in your heart and all that, and it comes emotionally, but your eyes don't have feelings.

That's a great way to discern between feelings. So to someone here that's saying his personal experience with the priesthood, you don't think that that's them seeing something differently? I don't judge it in terms of whether it's true or not. I just say it's an inferior way to assess truth. That's all.

Because for their experiences with the priesthood, we have Jews who've had experience with the rabbi. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And it's not fake if you have faith. And that's kind of the problem with it is that you can have bad faith, which Jean-Paul Sartre describes, versus good faith. And what he's saying there is really inferior in terms of epistemology, we know something that is just it's not fake if you have faith jeez then then my faith is not fake if i worship a little jeweled demon yeah it's not every single person that has faith makes that claim yes about their own theology everybody i feel like

more and more we're coming to the like idea of the plural one thing where it's like the the obvious condition is that people all say that people all make their claims about the problem is there the tie to their material situation as the reason for it rather than god in them being the reason for it it's the priesthood is the reason for it it's the muslim community that's the reason for it. Sorry, getting a call here.

Okay, so then let's move on to the next. Same person on that video said, then explain priesthood authority. John the Baptist had lineage from Aaron and Peter. Jane, John from Jesus and lineage. I don't know what that means. People make comments. Okay, explain priesthood authority. All right. You've asked me to do it.

I'm going to do it really quickly. Jesus said John was the last of the law and the prophets. The last of the law and the prophets. John was from the tribe of Levi. John had the right as a Levitical priest to do what the last of the Levitical priests would do. Even Yeshua wasn't part of that priesthood line of authority. He was from the wrong tribe.

The Levitical priesthood is the only priesthood that has to do with men. The Levitical priesthood was to operate in the temple of that time at sacrificing animals and taking donations and doing the work of that temple. That was what that priesthood was for. We have a call here. Okay. If you want to continue that after. Yeah. Hey, you're live.

Who's this? Oh, I am? Yeah. Alec, how are you guys? Good. How are you? Who's this again? Oh, my name is Ale. How are you guys? Good. How are you? Who's this again? Oh, my name is Alec. Hey, Alec. Hi, guys. So I've been doing a lot of YouTube call-in events, YouTube call-in lives recently. I think it's just a really cool way for everyone to talk about the truth, whether it be like atheists who have their views or theists, which I am myself and believer of Christ.

And I just, I think it's an awesome way to share the gospel and I really applaud you guys. Thanks man. Thanks Alec. Thank you so much. So here's the thing that might make me a bit of a wild card on pretty much any channel is I'm a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints often commonly and pejoratively known as Mormons so we used to be too I'm not sure if you know that oh I have no idea both of you yeah okay so are you now a Trinitarian then no no no good because that's the thing that really kind of convinced me out of those other faiths, because, you know, the Lord says in John to the woman at the well, you worship, you know, not what we know what we worship.

And when I go on to other YouTube lives and they're talking about the Trinity, I try to ask them, what is God? and they kind of you know they try their very best but they usually go back to the creed where they usually reference an essence connecting the father and the son the holy ghost or maybe i could ask you guys what you think um our god is that's a really good question uh we uh we interpret god through the scripture and not through the teachings of man and the scripture says that in the beginning, God, plural, that was plural, created man in his own image, male and female, created he them.

And so we, I suspect that the best definition of God is one perfect plural of masculine and feminine perfection. is one perfect plural of masculine and feminine uh perfection and uh we should get away from the person's discussion that uh the trinitarians brought into the game and all of that malarkey simultaneously just because you've told us your lds alec i would strongly uh suggest that yeshua knew what he was talking about when he says, no man has seen God at any time, and not offset that with the version of Moses saying that he saw God speak with God face

to face was entirely a Hebraism. A Hebraism, Ben. So when Jacob saw him at Peniel, you also equate that to a Hebraism. All I know is I trust Yeshua's words. And he said, no man has seen God. God is a spirit. I represent the invisible God, the consuming fire. And God is not a man, et cetera, et cetera.

So I think that while I think you're wise and your prophet was wise to talk about why we're not Trinitarians recently, I that you you went from the frying pan to the fire when you essentially uh took joseph's version of the of seeing god in the sacred grove and ultimately coming to the fact that they were two separate distinct uh beings in a body of flesh and bone i'm sorry brother that harkens right back to Platonic ideals of forms.

I think, you know, Platonism usually meshes them together, is from what I understand. Yeah. Platonism in the third, fourth century. I understand it differently. I just finished a book on the Trinity called A Better Trinity, and I think that both views were the product of men trying to make sense. I think that Joseph Smith had a lot of insights on things the Christian community could learn from.

But not the person of God. I'm sorry. I can't buy that one. Okay. So if I may ask then, so would you say that the Old Testament probably um not as trustable then in your view i don't i don't uh trustable is a funny word i i think that there are mistakes in the scripture and i think that that's uh foolish to say there's not but i don't think those mistakes are so uh large that it uh removes somebody from understanding essentially what God wants us to know about him his son and how to be how to return to the kingdom sure

certainly so then if I could I could push it back a little bit on God being a man I like how where the Savior says or Yeshua because that says that's the name I also prefer because that's directly from the text, which I appreciate, where he said, well, pardon me, his disciples asked him, show us the Father and we'll be satisfied, right? And he didn't say, like, he didn't start talking about essences.

He didn't start talking about, like, other forms of, like, perfection or being itself, right? He simply said, have i been with you so long and you haven't known me when you see me you see the father yeah so and crack was a man when he said that so he said look at me i'm a man so you see me i'm a man oh dude i'm laughing at you i'm laughing at the innocency with which you speak um you know he all he said is he came in the expressed image of the father that's like a stamp he was the one to reveal the father he to so that

was a hebraism to say if you've seen me you've seen the father and he was a man when he said it therefore god is a man that is taking the the through line of scripture from Genesis to Revelation and throwing it out the window for one reference that you use to build an argument. I cannot buy it.

But let me say this. I welcome you to believe what you want. I receive you as somebody of faith. I don't judge you or condemn you for your faith. And if you want to believe that you can. And you know, we just believe in faith and love and we think that an LDS person who claims Christ, they stand before their maker and they're responsible before him. I don't think you're any different than a Calvinist or a Buddhist or a Catholic or a Protestant.

that very much thank you i mean i would give the exact same for you and i mean it for you as well because i think that people should they should because i i actually believe that if someone prays to know like god where would you send me i don't think that every single person on earth will get the church of jesus christ the lord of these saints because the lord wants us to accept whatever truth we're willing to and if they're not willing to accept you know the book of mormon i believe he will say you go and you join the roman catholic church you go and you join you know buddhism or however because he wants

us to accept all the truth that we're willing to that's my opinion there and and i love that and i respect it as a member of the church to to share that alec unfortunately when i went on my mission we taught a very different story and i went to a temple that taught a very different story. And I went to a temple that taught a very different story. And, you know, there was no openness of other faiths there.

It was, they were all in the employ of Satan and that none of them pleased God. So the narrative has changed, but I'm glad to hear a member share this open view. And I hope, I hope that, you know, Dallin Oaks shares it too someday. So then it would go back again to priesthood authority on that one well only within your church you guys claim the priesthood authority you accept that as yeah so i would if you want to believe that have more power to you sure so then when joseph smith said that he would be willing to die for even the heathen's faith.

I think that's one of the more early examples of openness in the church. Well, I mean, that is an example of openness in the church, isn't it? But him excluding the blacks or Brigham Young excluding them later as a prophet, it just kind of negates that open shamanistic way that Smith had about him when he first started to form the church.

When it became that you can only enter heaven by having the new and everlasting covenant, meaning that you practice plural marriage, that is very difficult, man. It's really difficult for this open kumbaya, you're all welcome bit. So I think that over time, the Mormon church tightened up its collar, said, we're the only true church. You cannot enter the kingdom unless you receive our baptism to the present day where guys like Alec are open enough to say, I don't think God works that way.

Thank him. Well, I would say that the telestial and terrestrial are definitely kingdoms of glory. I think it's more of like definitional where when they speak in that way i think they're talking about exaltation and the celestial glory yeah that's just me though yeah that's okay because if you talk to like a catholic and you tell them hey do you want to be as god is christ taught be therefore perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect if you're perfect as god that makes you godly he even said to be godly and in john 10 34 he said ye are gods and we offer them exaltation they say

no and that's perfectly fine alex hi do you do you really think you can call in i i want to be respectful here but do you really think you can call in to this show to a family that has been LDS and we've done like hundreds of hours of shows and books about Mormonism that I was in a bishopric and stake high council, a seminary teacher.

Do you really think that you can come and you can drop these little breadcrumbs along the way without us having a solid response for you because what these are these are just foolish they are just grasping and i'm not being disrespectful to you you have the right to believe as you want our job is to love you but if you call into this show and you say you drop these little one-liners and don't think there's a context to explaining them that's reasonable and contextual, it really surprises me at the chutzpah.

No, I understand because people usually, when they read that, they go back to Psalms 82.6 and they say that he refers to judges. And I accept that interpretation, but I personally don't believe that we can change the word to judges because that's not the word. But it's all right. Well, see, you seem to be studied to show yourself approved, Alec.

But here's something that's unique with us. We don't think that particles, doctrines, or articles of faith matter in this day and age. We believe that Christ came and took his bride as promised. There's no such thing as a church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. He took his bride who is holy, pure, and without spot in that day as promised that he would.

And that ever since, God writes his laws on the hearts and minds of individuals. So there is no collective body necessary. There's no priesthood necessary. The veil was ripped in two. And we all have access to Christ directly without intervention from anything at all. So our position is very different and open.

We don't care about doctrines. We don't even want to dispute with you on doctrine. because they do nothing but divide. You believe chocolate's a better ice cream. I believe vanilla. Have at it. But how can we agree, Alec? We can agree on what love looks like. And I think the LDS church does a pretty good job of trying to show what love looks like.

True. Sorry, Doug. I usually go onto the YouTube live for the debate, so I apologize. I fell back in there. I don't know what happened. Oh, you're I usually go onto the YouTube live to debate, so I apologize. I fell back in there. I don't know what happened.

Oh, you're just talking about our conversation? Yeah, I apologize. I usually fall back on all the Matter show, which we air every Tuesday night. And you have access to an audience that used to be vast. They still tune in when a good, and we'll sit here if you're in Utah. I think it's a Utah number and we'll talk and I'll go into every answer you want for every one of those things. We welcome you to come and do that.

Okay. I'll look into that for sure then because i i have a lot of time at the moment i'd be happy to all right that'd be great that'd be great alec um should i look it up on like your channel description or yeah go you can um are you looking at us from instagram right now uh no but i I have Instagram. I'm trying to go on YouTube.

Oh, good. Yeah, just YouTube. You can email me if you want, or you can comment on our YouTube, and I'll send you my email through the comments if that works. Perfect. Awesome. Thanks. Great to talk to you, Alan. Yeah, I'll let you guys go. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for yours, my friend.

We'll talk to you yeah i'll let you guys go thank you so much for your time thank you for yours my friend we'll talk to you later all right lord loves you see ya okay thank you bye-bye nice of him to remind us the lord loves us lord loves him too it's you it's really interesting what the internet has done to i don't know how old alec is but we're involved with these college kids now and they're like he there's a debate mode yeah they're in debate mode there's like youtube or yeah social media debate i don't even know how to debate i know that's what i think i'm just realized here officially he confirmed that that's what the ratio christy kids are doing they come

in with debate mode wow they're coming and there's like you know i stand there and start crying in front of them because it's so real to me and they're just like what we're debating is that loving shot like that was so hurtful to me, but he's just in debate mode. And he was like, oh, I apologize. Like I'm in debate mode.

So we go down the same road that they've gone all the time in arguing and debating different things in debate mode. Yeah. But they don't understand what everyone else in the world, that's what they're showing Christianity is on social media. That's all they do.

And that's what they're showing Christianity is on social media that's all they do and that's the demonstration of Christianity to the world and it's no skin off their back they're like oh I'm in debate mode but everyone else is like you guys are the worst people I've ever seen in my life I get it that's what's going it's true he and it's interesting that he just he sounded like he was probably like 22 or 23.

yeah yeah yeah it's very big with that age they all have their own platforms and he debates each other spoken and he's very good at debate like oh he was ready for the answers he was ready for the same answer he didn't even have to think because he had something there because he knew what you were going to say based on what christians are all saying the same which is why we stopped it short and said look yeah this back and forth is not what we do yeah welcome to that was you and you know what that was that's called from

sartre called that bad faith yeah because you don't go in to learn you go into control and win that's bad faith which is what all christians are doing we need to change that sister yeah it's what it's it's what social media asks of a creator like it requires you to be that so all the theologians all these stupid guys that people are sending to us all the time, Wes Huff, Dan McClellan, these guys, they are training that in men and women, but men are always the ones doing it.

And to see a question and give a very philosophically articulate answer back in debate mode, perpetually on social media, that's all anyone's doing and so i got news for you here's a prognostication from your old man who looks like a troll today the christians are too lazy too dogmatic to ever come compete in the long game with the fervor and zeal of devoted LDS men and women.

They study, they go to seminary, they know their stuff and they have now cut their teeth on these abilities to argue. So they're going to grow if people are convinced through argumentation because they have answers that the dumb unprepared dogmatically driven Christians stand by yeah and it will never work we will never win until we say this is not the game we play that's not the game I know yeah like the Mormons commenting on our stuff are just like lol people love to talk about us.

Like they, they, it is no problem to them. They're getting an identity. They're going to grow from it. Yeah. Yeah. Where's Jesus, man? Where is our love for him and the truth? Yeah. He was a convert though. I don't know if you caught that or maybe i misheard it but i didn't catch that but i would really like to talk to him now i know i'm pretty sure he said he that he used to do that and then he found the truth in the chat who is oh this is him i love called the chats the chats oh jeff day poppy hi there friends hey jeff uh latter-day saints have logical

answers oh this is alec this is who's just called oh from agony to life publicly yep lol he's 33 wow you sound younger than that that's from not smoking alec yeah you have a nice clear voice it's another that drunken brawling stuff i was born in the church but i became an agnostic atheist me too me too alec hey listen you're on there with some really good people.

Sarah Young, she'd be really good to talk to. And so would Jeff, because Jeff's been LDS and he understands a lot of things I don't even understand about Judaism and stuff. So Alec, you should talk to them and see where all your stuff goes. And it would be good for someone in our group to engage with the Latter-day Saint. I'm grateful that you're reaching out.

I don't want to debate you, but I want to talk to you about good faith, love, and all the other things. This is on Instagram. It doesn't show on the chat stream here, but someone said over 40,000 Christian, different denominations, lots of different theology. Love is the key. Love creator, love neighbor. Amen, amen.

Whoever wrote that, we are with you. That is what we are calling people to do, to come out and love. Yeah, 100%. Wanting to look at Judaism. Yeah, he really knows his stuff, Jeff day poppy or jeff poppy day by the way jeff just shared i don't know if i'm allowed to say this but uh he just shared it oh sorry sarah go ahead he's on a different channel but it should be showing on the screen he's you guys should can see each other's comments um jeff just wrote a first chapter of a book on tithing wow he shared that um

we have helped him think about tithing in a different way and i'm curious to see what he's come to realize i would love jeff if you're willing to let us post it on the yeshuan site wherever we've done that delaney knows how to do that yeah as a yeshuan contribution i don't care what your stance is i think that all takes are important to be heard that sounds good um okay let me move on to some other comments i would like to ask sarah young sarah did anything happen with the teaching at that one church today they were going to talk about

how to deal with unruly women um yeah we saw that someone is really devoted to dangerous women he must be kind of scared of them he must be be. Anyway, give us an update, Sarah, if you have the time. But I think from agony to light is talking to you guys. I guess you can see that. I think I am like informing people of something they don't know.

There is my email, Alec. We'd love to have you on the show that we do. we'd love to have you on the show that we do okay okay their service isn't until four of the afternoon so gonna coincide with the oscars um yeah i think of gilgamesh shuts down genesis yeah that was awesome when we're saying mormon you know hebrew shuts down mormonism claims to authority they're like well the epic of gilgamesh shuts down genesis got it got it what do you say to that i say that uh um so they say what delaney they're like your reference to the bible gets shut down by previous texts before that that just

before that. I just, they copy basically. So look at, I mean, I get the arguments. I've, I understand the, the myth of Lilith and, and, and the Gilgamesh things and the different flood accounts and the different accounts of Satan and the different gods who are coming forth to die for mankind.

They're strewn throughout Greek, tree yeah everything okay in like mesopotamia before babylon all of like the archetype of the whole bible story is so copy to me i have a choice i can say okay we borrowed from it it was there because it was a big lie or it was there because it was true and the principles of it were true with that and the principles of it would be true with god or i say uh it's all a fraud okay you decide which way you want to see it it's up to you what you're trying to find in things i could believe any three of those i choose to believe that there is overlap in this world of themes,

Jungian themes, and that flood accounts are indicative of other types of COVID floods. And there's all these pictures and types. So I do not let something like that move me at all. What would move me more would be if someone I love was taken and tortured and brutally brutalized forever.

And then I got to them and they were able to tell me exactly the horror they went through. And then I would have such a hard time to understand what God was doing. I know we live in our old world. I know we have, but a test of that would cause me to, to start to get break. But information, you choose to decide what you, what you want. Bottom line.

Which is like, I, it seems like that goes to show your stance on the bible like you're you're not it's not gonna make or break you if the bible is like this or that like because it's not your freaking idol yeah and so what does that do for you when you don't let it be your idol and someone comes up and says look at this word it's that's the problem with someone thinking god is in the material because then once the material is disproven, God's disproven.

That's right. And so someone leaves religion and God goes with it. And it's like that is the most childish thinking. That's why it's so important for people to cut their teeth on what's real faith rather than religion, which is why we've gone to bat for this. We're not doing it because we want to create an empire yeah no one we're doing it because it helps people yeah it really does yeah so anyway gilgamesh i've i've heard them all i've heard a lot of them and and you know it could be also that god said uh the demons that were in charge of the world and they were angelic

according to heiser maybe they had information knowledge that they were secretly giving and maybe they influenced these myths to come about before the real thing as a means to cause doubt i know that's a stretch i don't think that's what happened but there's always possibilities yeah 100 um it's like the bible Yeah, 100%. It's like the Bible, at the very least, is an incredible thing to learn from. At the very least, you can learn how to love. And it's great for that. Maybe the Epic of Gilgamesh is too. Yeah. Probably not in the,

in the same way. Yeah. I think God will use the Epic of Gilgamesh for people who believe in Gilgamesh to help them come to a better understanding and then move them along toward the ultimate destination, which is free and his son. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm so liberal in my days. The longer I live up just being like.

But my question for you in the face of all that, because I feel the same the further into it we get. And it's like we're called Yeshuans, though. Like I would still argue that yeshua and the story of that is more productive than the others maybe like because we're getting into a point where it's like Maybe you don't need to know Yeshua.

You know, we go into that. Yeah, this is good. We should talk about this. So, Yeshua's, to me, refers to our foundation that is always there. That's why we call ourselves by his name. Yeah, but like we, if it is the material fact that christ wasn't god and the bible doesn't say is incorrect and it was other gods before the bible and all this stuff like and we like we aren't idolaters of the bible so we don't attach ourselves to it like yeshua goes out the window in that case do you get what i'm saying i do but that there's a what there's a difference

between talking about sharing what we believe with others open to them believing yeah and then being open to what they're going to believe and what we stand our beliefs upon we know as yeshuans hence the name what we stand upon that's built in and so we don't have to re-explain it we might mean someone who's just full of i just love god i've always loved god and uh really yeah and then you find out as you get to know them they love other people too and they really are devout if they see you and they respect you they can ask about yeshua and you could share that and they would understand where

their basis comes from or they just keep living in the fullness of yeshua and his name isn't even needed he is god now all in all there's no need for that link to be known and is what i'm saying All in all, there's no need for that link to be known, is what I'm saying, in every case like we used to do.

You've got to say the name. I think it is great when you base it on him. I think it builds your faith really strongly downward, right? And so we're afraid that if someone just builds on the spirit upward, they're going to be weak. But I think that they are as strong as those of us who have cut our teeth on the word that's how powerful the spirit of christ is it reigns and not the bible does that make sense yeah like there but there are people like i don't know spiritualists out there yeah saying something similar it's like God is the

source and right that like yeshua is like a metaphor for understanding love and whatever like okay you know let me just go backward with you on that let's say that one of those people sorry my mouth is dry uh dad and mom were partiers and then that girl was raised on atheism and that and that a christian man came over one day and molested her or whatever and they grow up with that back story and then they get to the place where the only thing they can really manage about life is what they say but in terms of faith in some kind of god and real love

i just love i feel so bad for those animals those babies those women they really do want to love and then they're also really selfless they are his versus someone who's cut their teeth for the perfect life and comes out snotty and snooty and judging. See, this is the shift. And it's very hard to believe because it's frightening.

It's frightening. I believe it. I think I'm just trying to figure out the fact that we posit the philosophical premise that it's literally that the Bible was a literal historical thing. Yes. And that Christ was God, that there was like a historical basis for this open thing where like, that's what's so unique about it.

and it's really hard because the natural like 2026 way to understand things is like you're one or the other it's like either it was literal and it happens this one way or it's like open and it happens another so i think the yeshwin approach is breaking both of them up blowing them apart and has uh we we get it this is how it's so i attribute that to god i i do too not to me or you no one it's so lost on people to reference the bible to believe it historically and all this stuff and then also be like, it could be disproven by the epic of Gilgamesh.

I don't know. Yeah. Like it's both. It's like both. Because we don't worship that damn book. I know. We let the spirit because we've seen what happens when people worship the book. They fight with each other. They're unloving. they start practicing polygamy they think that women should be killed for aborting they become nuts so we've seen that so that's how it works so it's it just is hard to articulate people do you think it came out in this conversation uh yeah i just and i'm so glad that we recorded it because we have this to now this is what we were talking about yeah for sure do we have any other callers

what are you guys doing sleeping they're talking to each other i subbed the guys i'm going to try i guess you're not supposed to read them like this are you no they're talking to each other can we talk about something inflammatory just to get the phones maybe going? Sure. We have eight minutes. Okay. Well, in LA, there is a radio station called K-Rock.

And it was from K-Rock. I learned about punk when I was like, whatever, 1976, 77. But anyway, K-Rock had a guy on it. And his name is Adam Carolla. And he used to call into the KROQ as a certain character. And from him doing that, he got his career. And he was on the man show with, what's the guy who hosts the biggest talk show at night now? Jimmy Kimmel.

He and Jimmy Kimmel had a man show, they called it. Anyway, Adam Carolla is is very very outstandingly bold in his talk about women he's the opposite he's the opposite of uh political correctness or being woke and he's come up with a term and he explains it and he calls it gyno fascism it and now he calls it gyno fascism huh is that feminism for him what gyno fascism is it's based off and it's not pejorative he says women are made and wired differently than men men want to do the thing. Women, they have to talk about the thing. Because if they talk about

the thing in their mind, it becomes clear through the process of talking. That's how women work. So he goes, let's look at some of the mayors and governors that we've had come over the biggest cities in America. He says, before when it was this mail you know they said we're gonna put up freeway through the middle of los angeles boom it was underway it was getting done it was just do it do it do it he goes we got what's her name in now they can't even make a decision on who cleans a park wow this is because they have committees upon committees upon committees

they talk they talk they talk and finally they will be willing to pull the trigger and he calls it gynofascism because it's the way that they control things as women and so it's changing our world he's not saying it's bad but it's changing our world it is changing the world maybe for the better i'm not saying it's not for the better the hell wants a freeway just right through the middle of a city when it that is not how freeways are supposed to i am not saying that men's way is better he's just talking about a

shift in the way it happens and so therefore men have to start to adjust and become different we've been talking about the feminization the rise up of the female it's huge i just saw the new dime coming out you know who's on it a woman really yeah a woman that's cool yeah i forget her name i mean to to put fascism in there is probably an incorrect uh that's. That's where he's a little bit edgy.

A little bit edgy. I want to hear it. Sarah says that's why men and women should work together. It's true. That is true. I have never had a better work partner than my wife. When we have a project to do, she and I, and I see that in Larry, and I see it in all my children. I see it in Sarah and Joe.

see it in sarah and joe you as a team you make the best balance man yeah well it's true like a team of all women would do it in a very specific way one in one direction and it's not necessarily better yeah like it should be a mur but yeah like my mom and i have noticed that on survivor they're not married couples but the teams that are two women and even the teams that are two men always do worse than the team of a woman and a man oh wow almost always that's interesting because two men they war with each other for control And two women are passive and so neither controls.

And it doesn't work. But when you get the mix, and it's just amazing how you can get a girl who really cannot even run and another normal guy. And they can do better than two muscle-bound guys. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. That's God's way. I love that way. It's not against people who are same sex attracted.

If you have that plight in your life, if you have that way, if you rejoice in it, that's between you and your maker. We don't judge it. And I find it be very hard to do that if you really didn't. I don't know. But bottom line, we're just talking about a way that where things tend to work better in families and in life yeah yeah i have to think about this yeah she's being wise i just maybe in this world threw myself under a bus but no i'm just thinking like yeah talking and talking through things is needed sometimes and it's not in others that's the whole thing like through putting a freeway through a city it might need some talking through

and it's like maybe we should have talked more before bombing that country for having weapons of mass destruction yeah like and i get it i'm not saying Carolla was indicting it. It's just we have a shift. Using the word fascist for it is, you know what I think else contributed to this shift, that fascist is totally Adam Carolla trying to stir up trouble.

Yeah, totally. But, but liberally, I think what's happened is in the victorian era and over the course of history women have been sexually repressed and they have uh been uh under the thumb of men and and marriage was a certain way and with the advent of the internet and pornography and uh and women waking up and finding out that men are dumb and that they're capable and that they aren't to be relegated to a corner.

And all of these deliberations that women have experienced, they realize, I really don't need a guy. I really don't. And I think that has happened. And so men are having to decide, how are we gonna adjust exactly because they're lonely like they're yeah the male loneliness epidemic is because yeah it's not brought on by you it's not your fault it's not men's fault no it's just our contribution to it yeah there's like there isn't there's a there's a little bit of like a crying going on rather than an acting to adjust to the situation

oh i see they're being babies yeah and so then calvinists are like we are men and this is how it is and we're taking it back and they're like putting a collar around women and dragging them back into the way it was so as yeshuans because that's the context from which our family speaks our job is to help empower women to the fullest extent and help empower men in the same to the fullest extent so that they they work in that weak and strong way that they both have in different ways to make the team.

Yes. See, and that creates the unity God wanted with men and women to begin with. And if men and women had that unity to start with, we wouldn't have the divorce rates or any of the stuff that we have going on in marriages today. or any of the stuff that we have going on in marriages today. I feel like it's been a pendulum thing where, you know, women have been in an insecure place for a long time and over swung.

And there's a lot that are too far on the other side. And there was a time that that had to happen where voices needed to be heard against the patriarchy and stuff the patriarchy still exists but like it's becoming a thing now where we need to like move forward and like lift both up and get everyone healthy because everyone is unhealthy that is so wise and that kind of leadership in this arena is going to be a really an important work of what we stand for is understanding the genders understanding relationships yeah families i'm not sure why we have a text question we should answer before we

end but and i'm not sure i've built i've wondered about you calling it a matriarchy for the future future like a feminine age because that could be true. I don't think matriarchy is any worse or better than patriarchy and patriarchy is ugly. Well, I would almost rather it be like neither like a one. A unity. Yeah.

Or like an individuated. A matriarchy. I'm a patriarchy a Mapa a Mapa AKA Blake Stone we are about to finish I'm sorry you are late but someone said I've been doing a D uh good afternoon sean and laney just a quick question i've been doing a deep study on the ethiopian bible can you please give me your take or thoughts on this resource for truth you know what i do not know anything about it other than it exists and i would just say from you can hear delaney's opinion but the fact that it exists it's relative to

something that we really have gained a lot from as a people that's studying it and reading it could never do anything harmful and whatever it turns out to be for you that will be a benefit depending on what you want to get from it so that's how i kind of see everything, that kind of approach. Yeah, I like that.

I don't, do you know the distinction of what, of why it's an Ethiopian Bible? Like what makes it different from a Bible we read? Oh, it has to be from the proof texts that support the translation. I see. Somehow whatever translations there was endemic to Ethiopia versus some of the other ones from Alexandria or wherever. So it's suddenly different.

It's probably much older than the earlier manuscripts, I'm guessing, but I don't know. I could be wrong on that. I see. There was something you said that I wanted to end on and now I can't remember that. You know, if we just took a picture of you right there, snapshot of that, you look like a televangelist in front of a cross. Oh my gosh. Okay. We should wrap it on that.

Sorry for my father, everybody. The, What did they call you? Hey. What were you called this morning? I was called Ayatollah. Ayatollah. Peace. Peace out to you. Is that from that one cult documentary? Oh, what I was going to say is, have you all watched the show All Her Fault? It just came out with the girl from Succession and Dakota Fanning.

Oh, is that a redhead girl? Oh, I haven't watched it. It's Apple, right? Yeah. I haven't finished it, but it shows this man-woman. It shows really well how women feel about men in the way where you're talking, but in like a real way this is good stuff it's interesting this might be up for a voxy well this is my first period of it i don't know what they're gonna i don't know what the sarah says she's seen it i don't don't tell me i don't know what the the general point they're gonna make is yeah but the inklings are interesting okay and then i have

to say that the best series in terms of uniqueness dialogue acting plot uh an absolute crazed absurdity and just dead black humor is search party search party on netflix start it give it a chance i promise you you will be blown away by the arcs that they go to to make this thing interesting all right okay thanks everyone thanks for watching i'll talk to you later bye they should get a voxy