March 1st, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside

LIVE CALL IN: March 1st, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside with Shawn McCraney and Delaney McCraney Norris

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you you you you Hey, we're live. I don't think they see that. It's for you, Jeff. Oh, the little we align to the little gray strip for our friend Jeff. Hopefully that isn't as distracting this week. But welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Yes, you inspire side. I'm Delaney.

Yeshuans Fireside. I'm Delaney. Who are you? Introduce yourself. I'm Sean McCraney. She's Louise. I thought she was just like talking to me about something. We're loosey-goosey today. Yes, we are. We're from yeshuans.faith. We're father-daughter. We're a family ministry. Go to yeshuans.faith if you want to know more.

What does yeshuans do, Sean? Oh, yeshuans. Well, yeshuans, yeshuans, yeshuans. What do we do? We do so many things. First of all, we say we don't want to be identified with modern-day Christianity with all of its politics and stances against people who do wrong. We want to be known for our love. So we changed our name from being Christians to being Yeshuans, his first given name as instructed by the angel to his father.

Yes, sir. And we do a number of things in trying to help educate. We don't want to start a new religion. We want to help educate people on the principles of religion from the Bible and give you the chance to hear different views that you're not going to hear in church. Perfect. This is a question, a live question call-in hour.

You can call 220-222-4686. Ask us any questions that you have. You've been doing live call-in since 2006 on your TV show. Yeah. We're carrying it forward. You do question and answer on all your teachings. It's a big part of what we do. Hey, next week, next Sunday on March 8th, around 2.30, our call-in is going to be with Rasheel Christie, who's going to be here with about 25 kids to ask questions and we're going to make a presentation so tune in for that also if you're in these archives or in these in this today we are thinking about maybe moving this back to thursday

because sundays is starting a little slow and we have big sund we do every week. So give us your thoughts on that. If you think that would be a mistake, another just administrative change. I think Cassidy's here watching if you are. Hi, Cassidy. Hi, she says, love you. We love you too. If you're on YouTube, you can put your questions in the chat and we'll show the YouTube chat here on the screen soon.

But we will start answering questions. The first I got a text this week and said, am I praying to Yeshua or the father? We're one in the same. Excuse him just eating his candy here. They're one in the same. I mean, it used to be, you know, Yeshua taught to pray to the father in his name. I think that's appropriate.

But bottom line, Yeshua is the God man all things been put in his hands i think he's the one sitting on the throne and uh of the one true god i think he is god to see that to see him is to see the father so i don't think there's anything that that matters in terms of of that okay um can they i think i'm saying that right. And Instagram is saying, stance on love your neighbor.

You want to answer that? The Old Testament said, love your neighbor as yourself. And that was part of the law. When Yeshua came, he taught his disciples, it has been said of old, love your neighbor, but hate your enemies. But I say to you, I, a new commandment I give to you, that you love other people as I have loved you. So it's no longer love your neighbor as yourself. It's love your neighbor.

And that means if your neighbor's your enemy, your neighbor annoys you, you die to your will, and you follow and love them in the spirit of Christ. follow and love them in the spirit of christ okay um let me go into the archives for questions do you have did you have any those are the first ones just in the chat right here but do you have any from this week i really don't i should have prepared but i i didn't. That's okay. I'm looking at my emails. Okay.

So we have a chat bot. We have a website and an app called Yeshuins. You can go download it. And there's a ton of content on it. And we have an AI that answers questions from that. So someone was asking that this week. All about women. Women of the Bible, women resources, women in the Bible with important roles, the influence of strong women in the Bible.

So there's a lot of questions from this person, but do you want to just talk about women? There have been a lot of books written on the women of the Bible. You can get them online to do those kinds of studies. But in the world, women have had a short end of the stick in the patriarchal world.

When Christ came, he re-leveled that playing field to the point that he says there's no difference in male or female in Christ. So all the stuff that Paul said about women not speaking in church was cultural, was for that day, because women had been in such a low esteem. And Paul wasn't going to come in and try to uproot the whole cultural system when they're trying to get the bride together.

So he just said, look, don't even get married. Be like me if you can. But if you can't get married, it's better to marry than to burn. But bottom line, you know, women are equal. Women are partners with their husbands. God said it's not good for men to be alone, and he made a woman not to be trampled on and not to rule, but to be one with her husband and to help govern their home and society.

And we believe, I believe, that God is both masculine and feminine, and he made humans in his own image. So we have male and female as an extension of that. image. So we have male and female as an extension of that.

And I really tend to believe that women are going to be the future of the faith because after 2000 years of patriarchy failing miserably through their laws and guilt and shame, the feminine attributes of Christ of peace and kindness and love and mercy should start to take hold and that's particularly found in women some men too should be in all men but that's what I think about women so what's the um is there a shift across the Bible from Adam and Eve to the New Testament on women or yeah kind of consistent? I've been curious about that.

Yeah, no, from Adam and Eve in the establishment of the law, a woman had her identity through her husband. He was the head of the household. He was the priest. Adam and Eve as well. Well, that's speculated on, but yeah, I don't know about between Adam and Eve and the law. Okay. But when the law came in, a woman got her identity through her husband.

Okay. And she didn't have any rights to property or anything else without marriage to a man. Okay. rights to property or anything else without marriage to a man. Okay. Would you say those things were cultural as well? Like outside of the law of Moses, that was also going on in the world? Oh yeah.

I think there's some advanced societies where women had a higher place, you know, like the Athenians, the women had a lot of power with their man, you know, a lot of people are trying to bring that back forward today where the men and the women are both like warrior-like as a team, you know. But so some societies had it, but a lot of them still treated their women like chattel.

Okay okay so grill master asks what's the big deal about the comet that's passing by that jay smith proposed and the lds is all excited about no idea no idea never even heard of it give us more information you probably could us. Tell us what it's about that you know. But I don't think Joseph Smith proposed any comment that's coming through to this day. Okay. If you don't know who we are, there's different people tuning in often on Instagram and Facebook.

And we believe in fulfillment, biblical fulfillment. So ask questions about that if you have them. That means that there's no modern application of it today materially and that it's just a subjectively understood text for each individual.

I want to know what, on that, individuals using the Bible on their own, to you, is there any danger in it being completely turned on its head in a hundred years on how it's understood because people have done this like that seems to be the danger of protestantism to the catholics where you know everyone is made at this just ridiculous like clown show of the bible you know is there danger in that to you there's always danger when men are involved there's always danger. When men are involved, there's always danger.

We, for all kinds of reasons. So I am certain that the Bible will continue to be misused, misread, misinterpreted, new things will come out of it. So you can't, you almost can't help that. You know, the Catholics and the Orthodoxies always say, that's right. That's why we need the church because the brethren will tell you what you should say and what you should believe.

And the Protestants say, no, you just have the Bible, and that's all you need. And I don't agree with either of those. I agree with the Spirit. So the misinterpretation for you is applying the church, actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when you bring men in to tell you what to believe, you know, this is how to interpret that.

Yeah, there's no way. But if we got to a point where, you know, societally people think that Jesus was actually a woman and there was all... Just like it just turns into this whole different thing in a 100 years. Yeah. Is there any trouble to that? There's a ton of trouble. There's nothing we can do. But people have done that since he did what he did.

You know, they have come up with all sorts of things. Free sex in his name and sex with Jesus spiritually. I mean, we have done everything, which is why people who promote the Bible say, no, you got to stick to the Bible. I agree with that because we get the principles through it, but not materially. I see. Okay. That's why I don't abandon the Bible and I hold studying it up.

Yes, definitely. Girlmaster, you've mentioned the Bible is more of a history book, Girlmaster, you've mentioned the Bible is more of a history book, not God's Word. The Bible in whole is accurate. What are some things that are wrong or incorrect? Okay, so if you want to go through a laundry list, first we have definite scribal differences between earlier manuscripts and present-day manuscripts.

We have errors in demarcation lines on dates. We have counting problems in the Bible. Then we have some actual translational problems with verses, okay? Then we have contextual problems, because the Bible presents us with context problems if you're not equipped to understand the context. And so we assign it wrong.

And then we have who was the Bible written to, when, and why. And then we have who gets to interpret it and how and what's the basis that they get to tell us what it means versus somebody else. And then there is just the difference in understanding among humans So if we had a room full of people and they all had a different translation of the bible and we all read one passage together You're going to have differences within that group alone. So here's the thing. When you have a written text that you use as law instead of as guidelines,

that written text used as law is going to be interpreted by 10,000 people, 10,000 different ways. So what we say is you have the written text, what gives us guidelines on what God wants and what he looks for in us. And we have the spirit whose fruit is love to teach us how to implement the things we read in the Bible.

That's how we say it. He said most churches believe the Bible is without error. Yeah, and that is absolutely a ridiculous statement, especially since what they mean when it comes to theologians is it doesn't have any error in the original manuscripts. That is what the original writers and gatherers of the Bible meant.

There is no error in the original transmission from God's mouth to the prophet's ear who wrote the original things. But we don't have one single original manuscript left. All we have are copies of copies of copies, and all we have are different translations of those manuscripts. So get over this teaching that it's perfect. Perfect in what it can give to us in terms of understanding necessary to know God, sure.

But not perfect in every word. They said, thank you, I agree. And so now we approach it subjectively. We do what we can to learn the information. Education. Education rather than demanded. Would you say that we're beyond the point of even knowing what happened in the time of Jesus? Oh, yeah. We have no idea.

Like, really, what happened? No, we have no idea. Yeah, yeah. Like really what happened? No, we have no idea. Yeah, yeah. All we do is we have different scholars who conflict with each other, who assume different things and pass it on as truth that we embrace as traditional truth. And no, we don't know much at all.

We don't even know. Like if I know you, you're my dad, you told me a story of what happened to you i wouldn't even know what that's what happened to you right i wouldn't know right like that's how and then we're 2 000 years removed of in a culture so different and that's the problem with people who grab it and say we know yeah i think I might have told you this recently, but I saw a philosophers debate from the Institute of Art and Ideas.

Anyway, this lady that studies Greek philosophy was like, you cannot understand what Aristotle was saying unless you know Greek and lived at that time. You literally will just never understand unless you read him in Greek is what she said. But I'm also adding on lived there and understood what that Greek meant at that time.

The culture? Yeah. Come on. Yeah. No one will fully understand the lingo of today and even 10 years from now. So hence to read an ancient book to a different people at a different time with a different and to assign it to our days, even more ludicrous. So we suggest that you can do better by you can read the Bible and study it.

We believe in that. But man, go by the fruit of the spirit, which is all those things that Paul says. Right. Again, if you are new to this, let me put something up. You can call us 220-222-4686. You can remember about anything we're saying. This is a question and answer hour for people based on a massive amount of content and courses and stuff that he's made and other people have made at yeshuin.faith.

We will whet your appetite just to let you know, but things, and we've said this every year and we have meant it, but we know where we are. We know what we teach and believe. We've got it down. We've vetted and tested and challenged and everything else. And we are going to start to do something that's going to blow your mind.

Give us about six months, and then you will be part of something absolutely revolutionary to the ministry and we think to the modern day world okay so ops podcast said in response to what you just said how do we know truth oh really good um First of all, we take the words of Yeshua from the Bible. You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. So there's one way to know the truth.

If it puts you in bondage to hate, rancor, revenge, depression, if it puts you in bondage to a church, then it's not the truth because the truth will set you free. Okay. The second thing is Yeshua said, I'm the way, the truth and the life. So to know the truth is to know him. So you study about him and learn about him. And that is how you know the truth.

The third way is by the fruit. Okay. And the fruit of truth is how the Bible describes it. And it creates, the fruit of the Spirit is love. And I always use this example. Suppose Joseph Smith is your neighbor and he comes over and he says, God has told me to take your wife. And you could say, Joseph, that's not loving.

So I don't think that's the truth. It's not loving to my wife, it's not loving to me. So Joseph, you're wrong. And you're a liar. It's very simple. If the doctrine does not create produce a gap a love in you. It is not true your interpretation of it. I think those three or four things are enough to help anybody understand the truth.

I think those three or four things are enough to help anybody understand the truth. They also said, I love Sean's story of leaving the LDS church. Thanks. I love it too. Yeah, that is a biblical basis for knowing truth. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. And by the way, when we're talking about knowing truth, we're talking about spiritual truth here.

When it comes to knowing something, I would say when it comes to the faith, we don't know anything. We have to walk by faith in things. And therefore, what we have are evidences that we accept as true, but we can't say that they are true. Okay. Do you get that? Because we can't please God through our knowledge. Knowledge has always been forbidden by God to humans in terms of putting it first. Faith is first.

So if we walk by faith, that means we don't have a handle on the truth. So don't go into a religious setting and say, I know, I know, I know, because God doesn't even want us to know. He wants us to walk by faith. Where are references to knowledge in the Bible? Because there's all kinds and there's good and bad. Okay. Yeah.

And so I feel like people cite that as a call on the Christian is to know or like knowledge is being part of what you're supposed to do as a Christian. So knowledge is best defined in terms of biblical understanding that the Bible promotes. It's best understood as personal. You have a personal witness of something that you say you know. But the only thing the Bible says you can really know with that person is that you're God's.

And that's a very personal thing that only you know. 1 John talks about that. But there's knowledge of, and this is life eternal, to know him, the only true and living God and his son whom he has sent. How do you know them? We know them by faith, acquiescence of faith, and that's, again, a personal witness that you bear.

To say to somebody else, I know, and if you don't believe like I do, you don't, It's a problem because we're talking about the subjective experience people have with the spirit leading them to believe as they want. And they're probably not 100% correct, but it's enough for God. But then there's the knowledge that puffs us up. That's knowledge that makes us proud.

And that is a knowledge that if you start to get proud in the face of it you know it's not of god that's the knowledge that's of this world like what eve said and what christ you know i'll give you all the kingdoms of this world if you bow down it's that prideful knowledge that the scripture warns against so and then it even calls it so-called knowledge because if that knowledge isn't eternal in its spectrum and it in its application to things i find it false it it can only if it's partially true it is not really true it's only applicable to a certain time so there's all these

facets on how to understand what is knowledge and what is good knowledge and bad knowledge. But it's a big question. Okay. So yeah, Ops podcast. That's why I can't follow Joseph because he does, because he does bring truth i feel like he might have meant to say he doesn't bring truth yeah yeah um so so subjective subjective faith which is what we uh propose in our work for for what you just said takes knowledge and suggests that spiritually, like biblical knowledge or knowledge of God or whatever, is a personal thing.

That's why it's subjective. And it is good as long as it doesn't puff up. Doesn't puff up. It doesn't trap you. Trap you, yes. Because the truth will make you free. Right, okay. Okay. So let me give you an example. When I was first an evangelical, I believed that hell was a reality, okay? That idea, when I look back on it, put me in chains.

It put me in chains on how I judged people who didn't know Jesus. It made me judge them. It made me critical of them. It made me think if somebody didn't do Jesus. It made me judge them. It made me critical of them. It made me think if somebody didn't do life like I did, that they were going to go to that place.

And I realized that's what led my mind to be open to another alternative if it was presented. Because when I saw what the belief in a burning hell that God would put us in forever more because he didn't elect us, it started to not make sense. And I could see that it was not really liberating me to love.

So then when the information came from tentmakers.org and from Daryl Scott, it opened me up to the idea. So that's how you kind of grow through things, but it doesn't mean that you won't change. And that's another reason why it's subjective because we are all at different levels of understanding.

And if we try to impose something on someone before they're ready as a dogma that they have to have, we're either going to make them believe as disciples or we're going to make them feel bad for not believing like us. Yeah. The Sammy said, you don't know everything about anybody, you know, and still you know them. Oh, I like that. We know them in part. That's interesting.

And Paul said, We know God in part. We see through a glass darkly. I agree with that. But the thing about it is, go ahead. That's interesting to think about. Like, I don't know everything about you. Oh, no. But can I say that I know you? Maybe that's the question we're at, is can I say that I know you if I don't, you know? I think you can know as much as either I've that I know you if I don't, you know? I think you can know as much as either I've let you know or that you could find out through others.

My question in response is, can I know something that's false personally and subjectively. I think you can believe, you know, and you can know things that are false. I mean, I think that's the argument is that we do know things that are false. Like you say, you knew Jesus as your brother when you were Mormon and you were still saved or, you know.

Yeah. You can know things that are false. Absolutely. You can know things that are false. Absolutely. You can know things that are false. Yeah. But I don't know if that's the question. How do we know something? Because implied in that question is how do we know the truth is what I read that to be. Right. But you brought up how we know.

Well, we brought, yeah, we brought up, I probably brought that up. When it comes to faith and biblical knowledge, that's good and bad. That was the earlier conversation. But in terms of us knowing something that is bad, well, the scripture says we have a bunch of ways that tell us that. Our conscience is first and foremost, and they have done studies on conscience in non-religious people, and it's real.

So I think that is a way that we can know good and bad without even having opened the Bible. Yeah, definitely. Thank you, Sammy, for that contribution. I liked that sentiment. Love that stuff. for that contribution. I liked that sentiment. Love that stuff. Okay. Before Jesus, were the prophets tested differently than the other ones after Jesus or today? Well, I mean, contextually speaking, in the apostolic record, when there were a few examples of a prophetess or a prophet coming forward and prophesying of something that was as the Old Testament was ebbing is fading was getting ready to fade in that space there were profits, but typically speaking the gift of the

of prophecy in the apostolic record is not the same as thus saith the Lord prophets of the Old Testament prophets in the New Testament are much more just like teachers who speak the truth and prophesy of the truth of things as they teach so how they're different yeah I think there's differences and similarities between Old Testament prophets and so-called New Testament prophets.

Prophets today, I think there are prophets today. I think there's secular prophets like Nostradamus and Carl Jung and different people who can see into the spirit of man. can see into the spirit of man. But in terms of a prophet that says, thus saith the Lord, I have a problem with that like the Mormons claim to have.

Because Hebrews says, in the past, God spoke to us by the prophets as in these last days, written 2,000 years ago, spoken unto us by his son. Jesus also said that John was the last of the law and the prophets. Jesus gives a teaching about how his father would send prophets into the vineyard and they killed them. And then last of all, he sent his son. So I have a great deal of trouble with prophets like unto Moses today. Okay. Ops podcast, talk about why denominations can't find unity amongst each other.

Wow, man, it's a great question. Why can't they? Paul talks about us having the scripture and everything else, prophets, apostles, teachers, and until we come to a unity of the faith. Okay? And so I believe that we cannot come to a unity of the faith because of man. Man wants to control. Man wants to own. Man wants to profit. Man wants to be right, especially with the things of God. You haven't found a zealot until you've found a zealot who knows the things of God.

And so men all get on their soapbox and they want to have it right. And they condemn anybody who doesn't agree with them. So bottom line, why can't we find unity amongst each other? Because we're babes. And that's what Paul lays at the feet of all disunity in the church. It's because they haven't cut their teeth on the meat of the word. They understand the milk of it.

And they argue over the color of God's eyes when their children are starving at their feet. Well said. Thank you. What denomination most closely lines up with fulfillment eschatology? This is from our Yashuin's AI. I don't think there's any denomination on earth that lines up with our stance on fulfillment or on everything else that we've come to see as a result of fulfillment.

or on everything else that we've come to see as a result of fulfillment. I'm not sure there's any denomination that exists that will sidle up to what we teach. There are preterist churches. There are preterist churches. Which is, in our estimation, an absolute oxymoron. Yeah, fulfillment eschatology, a denomination of fulfillment eschatology is also an oxymoron.

Like fulfilled means there is no organization of it yeah and we say that because of what god said and i you hear it all the time that he will write his laws and no man will say to another know the lord know the lord for all will know me i will have direct relationship with my people and so we don't have an organization i can't wait till delaney you and i and i don't get the bible, get to Hebrews chapter 12, because it's going to rock your world.

I can't wait. We do that on the Yeshuns YouTube channel, if you're not aware. So on that no ops podcast, is there such thing as a right denomination? If you can tell me what it is, I'll send you a hundred bucks in the mail because the problem is intrinsic to the question itself. Is there such a thing as a right denomination? You know, and so it's a denomination.

It is a special carved out group. And if they automatically have carved themselves out, how could they possibly be right when we're supposed to have unity among the faith? So even to question whether there's a denomination that can be true. is almost another oxymoron.

The fact that they're a denomination could not possibly mean they're true unless the denomination was totally bent on absolute, no authority, no basis for gathering, no money, no memberships, follow Jesus in faith and love. We accept all people. Oh, wait, they're called Yeshuans. What do you call the Quakers? I call them a group that is seeking God and spirit and truth. And I like a lot of what they originally stood for.

I've started to learn about them because of Billy, but today I'm not so impressed with what their secular interpretation of life is about. They might get close in terms of theology though. I think they get close in terms of practice. Yeah. The practice of practice of religion. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Now. Now. Okay. now um okay someone's asking where is tertullian mentioned and that means like in your work like across your work where is tertullian mentioned like what top what studies would Tertullian come up in? He comes up in naming the New Testament the New Testament, which I am really against.

I believe it was Tertullian who borrowed from the Old Testament because the Jews were done with that. And so we called it the Old and now we have the New Covenant. And he assigned it to a collection of books. That's one thing. I think Tertullian was also someone who said some things early on about the Trinity.

He alluded to elements of it, though it wouldn't be fomented for another couple 100 years. And you see you could probably if you did an AI search in our archives with Tertullian, I think everything would come up that we've said about it. I'm pretty sure. All right, we have a call here. Awesome. Hey, are you on? Are you here? You're live? All right.

Are you on? Are you here? You're live? I have a question. This is the same guy. Yeah. Yeah. Your friend. Ah, what's your question? Now? Now, Christians, I like to use Galatians 1 whenever the LDS Church is brought up. Yeah. And what I think is, now Paul is talking about the gospel which is faith in Christ. And the LDS church, when I was in the LDS church, they taught faith in Christ.

So it doesn't seem like Galatians 1 would apply to the LDS church. Are you talking about, in Galatians 1, I think you're referencing, are you speaking about another gospel line? Yeah, another gospel. The gospel that Paul is talking about is having faith in Christ. No, he's not talking about having faith in Christ there.

He's talking about another gospel. He says if someone comes around and preaches another gospel than we have given to you that's what he says there and so the gospel is not just faith in christ the gospel is that christ was born lived a life died was buried and resurrected that's what the gospel definition is according to first corinthians uh one so that's what the gospel definition is according to 1 Corinthians 1. So that's what he was talking about there in Galatians, not just faith in Christ.

And I know the Mormons teach faith in Christ, but the problem with it is they also add other things. I know they add other things. I know that. Yeah. Who are you? What's your first name? My name is Jeff. Oh, we've got a lot of Jeffs. And where are you from, Jeff? I live in Mexico. Whoa. How did you find us? Watching your YouTube videos. Really cool.

And what are you doing in Mexico? You don't sound Hispanic. I live in Mexico from Utah, 2020. No kidding. How do you like it? I think it's better than Utah. I don't have to show snow. anymore so all right are you married no I'm single you're single man and can we ask what part of Mexico all right well Jeff we have another call coming in but thank you so much for tuning in thank you Jeff thank you god bless your I like your YouTube videos. Thank you, Jeff.

I'll keep watching. Thank you. God bless you, brother. All right, bye. Bye. God bless you, too. Bye-bye. Zlany and I just made a mistake that I made on TV years ago. Yeah, you know what the mistake was? We had a guy last week call him Prankus, and Jeff just now sounded like that guy. So we both thought it was him and we treated him accordingly.

Hi, did you call Heart of the Matter? The live call in? If they did, they just hung up. They hung back up. I called them back. Didn't work. Okay. Um, okay. didn't work okay um okay where in the scripture does the bible clearly iterate the spirit instead of the letter oh paul does it all through romans and he does it through his uh other epistles you know um he says we should we are dead that's how he puts. Dead to the letter of the law. That's 2 Corinthians 5.

So dead to the letter, to live according to the spirit. That should tell every Biblicist to watch out. Okay. We have a, right here, holy and spirit don't show up paired together in scripture until the famous Psalm 51. Ever wonder why? I've never wondered why. Let us know. Yeah, I think that's a really good observation, though.

All right. We have the caller. All right. Hey, you're back on the air. Sorry we missed you. That's okay. Technical issues. Hey, first first off i want to say i'm a huge fan of sean um not trying to stroke your ego by any means but i actually found you on youtube and you actually came on my podcast for the people shoes that's what podcast is by the way what is it um but you know it's uh this show is called other people's shoes so other people's shoes you know because they don. They don't let you write all that out on Instagram.

Sean had come on my show a number of years ago and actually talked about his book, Mormonism versus Biblical Christianity. And I messed up the evangelical kid you know discovered Mormonism actually through heart of the matter and really started digging into you know the LDS faith and why they believe what they believe and just took the rabbit hole through the house in Wonderland looking glass and have studied you know so much on you know the LDS phase from from Joseph Smith to you know the Palmyra journey

to you know all the way across into you know and obviously now modern day Salt Lake and just intriguing and you've always fascinated me as a human being. Again, I'm not trying to blow smoke up your skirt or anything like that. But my question is, I just recently left the church that I had attended for over 10 years.

It was a non-denominational church. And so now my wife and I are settling into a new church. But today, specifically, the pastor actually was talking about unity and it got me thinking again with the denominational thing that right now i don't feel like there is unity within and i'm using big words here but the evangelical or christian and i hate even those words but i'm trying to figure out how do we find unity within faith so i guess that's the heart of my question the heart of the matter hey what's your

first name neil neil hey brother nice to meet you uh listen you've met him nice to meet you again delaney keeps me on track i'm sorry brother it's okay listen man um it's been like uh five or six years ago so so in your defense. Okay. You've met a lot of people. I'm not offended. When you get my years, that's like 30 years ago.

Hey, Neil. Right. I think that Paul really lays it out on how, because the strife in the church at Corinth was so major that he seems to lay it out there and also in Hebrews where the idea is grow the heck up. Grow up and start letting people be what they are, think how they think, live as they're going to, and don't major in the And the thing we can find unity in, I think, this is our hope at least, is just that there is a need for faith.

Faith. And I would say in Jesus, but I'm not going to even limit it to that because some people don't realize that Jesus was God with us. So we could say even just faith in God. is faith in God.

And if we could unite in faith in God and let God work out all the details on doctrinal differences from every group that has faith, and we just allow people to have the faith of growing up in Kazakhstan versus San Francisco or something, let's let faith reign and let God sort out the differences and trust that the Holy Spirit is leading individuals who proclaim and have faith. I think that will bring unity of the faith more than anything else. Well, I guess that's what I'm after.

I'm under the understanding if you believe and I believe that Jesus Christ was sitting here to redeem us of our sins that that you know separated us from god that died on the cross that rose again on the third day and is now seated at the right hand of god and and he is he is god in the body i heard you years ago when i was in youth which i still really love god me and God are one in the same.

Yeah, that they are one in the same. Yes. Then there shouldn't be this, there shouldn't be this, well, you know, you have to wait seven days before you get baptized after you make your declaration of faith. You know, all these other things that we get wrapped up into that distract us, in my opinion, distract us from the heart of the issue.

And the heart of the issue really is this world needs Jesus. We're with you. I don't know. We're with you completely, Neil, completely. You know? And I think that's the part that I keep coming back to is I have met LDS people, you know, along my podcast journey and even here in Southern Oregon where I live.

And that's the struggle I keep running into is anytime I meet somebody that's LDS, that's the number one question I ask them is I said, OK, whose faith and whose words do you put above anyone else's? I said, is it Jesus? And they're like, well, you know, he was good. But, you know, Joseph taught us a lot. And I said, but he's not Jesus. Well like, well, you know, he was good. But, you know, Joseph taught us a lot.

And I said, but he's not Jesus. Well, you know, he's kind of the same. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying is I've had the LDS people say, well, we're Christian. And I said, well, how are you a Christian when you don't believe that God is God in a bond? He came down. He didn't come back a second time to the new America.

Because Neil, they believe in the God, they have faith in the God they've been taught. And that is their version of the God. So the question becomes, does that faith in the false Jesus lead them to real love, agape, selfless, sacrificial, unconditional love? If it does, that is what God's going to assess from their heart, not their doctrinal certainty and purity. That's how we see it.

I think every knee will bow to the true Jesus and every tongue will confess him and no one will enter into the kingdom but by him. But all the nuances that break us up, well, was he this? Was he that? The Mormons take it out to a really bad extreme. So it's really hard for us to believe that they really know him. I get it.

But still, if we want unity of people and faith, we've got to stop majoring in the minors. Yeah, I think that's well said. Anyway. Hey, what are you looking for in a church, you and your wife? What are you guys you looking for in a church, you and your wife? What are you guys actually like looking for? That's a great question. So we, again, we left the church at 10 years.

We really loved that ministry, but we felt like we needed a different, you know, community, a different culture. What are we looking for? So we're looking for biblical teaching truth right and you guys were talking about truth and you know some of what you're saying i was like i need to look more into that of what you think one of the things that you were saying is you know that the bible um you know some of the error in the bible that people have found or discovered and that there aren't the manuscripts that they used to be that was one i was like i need to look more into that

that was intriguing so that was one um but yeah i hmm, I need to look more into that. That was intriguing. So that was one. But yeah, I think we are. We're looking for truth. We're looking for, you know, again, unity within the body, unity within people, unity within common purpose. I believe soul and wholeness.

wholeheartedly in the fact that we need to be making disciples that make disciples that make disciples i see and not and not from a not from a standpoint of saying like we're trying to just get a bunch of people in a bunch of conference but really truly understand the heart of jesus and the passion and the love that he had for all people and for lost people because again i i think even though some may call you an anti-Mormon, I think you have a heart for people that are in that denomination.

And I even hate to use that word, but that faith structure, because they're trapped, they're enslaved into that. Exactly. And I think you're trying to free them. At least that's what you used to do. And I would assume you're still doing that just based on what I'm hearing today. Still trying, brother. Does that answer your question? Yeah, it does. It's refreshing. that's what you used to do on and I would have seen you're still doing that just based on what I'm hearing today so still trying brother question it's yeah

it does it's refreshing and it's so nice to hear do you have children I do I have an 18 year old who you know as part of that then this is another reason why we left that curtsy I didn't feel like they really discipled my daughter well enough to date team now she really sort of doesn't really want to have a lot to do with church, which breaks my heart as an old youth guy, old youth pastor guy that I was.

And I don't know how I reached my daughter. And that's a struggle I'm running into. And that's the part I keep praying and asking God to, you know, that he would open doors into her heart. And if it's not me, listen, I can get out of the way I can get out of that way and say God if you send someone that is true that is right that is you know just Show her and point her back to you man.

I am all about that and if I can help it not great But if I need to get out of the way to God get me out of the way you know I believe in we too Delaney and I emphatically are driven by the idea that your daughter's age into college and younger they need the truth now more than ever more than ever we hope we can help with that cause and we think we're going to be able to soon uh neil well again i just uh i celebrate what you guys are doing i looked it up uh january 8th 2020 was when you came on my show wow that was uh that was right at the time of coping wasn't it yeah right

before right before coven started how's how's your show doing? Right before COVID started. We're doing good. Yeah, seven years now. We just celebrated seven years back in January, and we're closing in on 400 episodes. Wow, good for you. The idea of being in other people's shoes and trying to put some empathy in this world.

As I said, we've had a number of LDS people come on, and it's so funny because after the call a lot of times they will try to think I'm not sure I know what's up right can I just pray for you can can I just send you a Book of Mormon can I hey I love I'm sure delayed us jump speaking yeah perfect hey uh let's go to the hill camorra and dig in the ground and see if we can find something hey i love uh i'm sure delaney is john speaking for we love your heart man and maybe we can uh hopefully we can try to promote you more not that you need us we're small fries now but

we do have a good good group and uh we'd love to promote you more so can we we'll talk about that through an email or something Neil the beard is a little freaking me out though I mean I say this with love you you look a little scary you're making my day. You told me I look scary. I'm going all in, baby.

Don't let it scare you. Don't let it scare you, Neil. But I'm not scared of you, man. I just love your heart. And like I said, I found you years ago on YouTube when you were doing your cable access show, Wayne's World style. And then they kicked you off the air and i was saying about that but anyway all the best to you guys thanks man we'll talk to you again right bye bye neil that was a great call it was we love neil yeah all right a good amount of questions here i feel badly i didn't remember being on his show oh you were doing a lot at that time. And that's okay. We got more questions?

Yes. So follow up on that Psalm 51. Oh. Where it's Holy Spirit emerged at Psalm 51. He said, why did David write Psalm 51? What did he do that caused him to write it? Well, you know, I really should look at it just so I don't speak out of turn. Because I am prone to doing that when it comes to chapter and verse.

Why isn't my chapter and verse coming up, Delaney? Does this thing block me from? I hope it doesn't come up on the screen. No, it won't. In the meantime, Jacques from last week says, Hi. Hey Jacques. Daniel said, belief of a Christian is irrelevant because the Greek word belief is not used in association to Jesus. Belief is the word pistis, trust, just like faith is also pistis.

Two English words, different meaning. I'm not so sure as they're that different. Sometimes they are like when, I guess it was Paul who said, even the devils believe, and it diminishes belief below faith in that sense. Faith is going to be actionable through love.

And so just believing isn't necessarily actionable through love. So that's probably how we define the difference between genuine, real, good faith, which Jean-Paul Sartre divided between good faith and bad faith, and then a belief. That's how I would see it. He says these are the English words translated from that. It's translated from that. Yeah. Two figs says it's Psalm 51's Bathsheba and Uriah.

And so what David did was he slept with Bathsheba, and then he had Uriah, her husband, killed at the front so as to cover up his sin. And this is his response to God for that sin. Thank you, two figs. I couldn't bring my scriptures up up and I don't know why. And so he's saying, he or she, sorry, is saying that that's when holy and spirit show up as paired together in scripture.

Yeah. Why do you think that is? I don't know. I don't know. No idea. If you have thoughts, feel free to expand. We could research that and talk about it the week after next. Next week, we're having ratio Christie here and we're going to be I don't know how Delaney is gonna I don't know how she does any of this.

You'll stream will stream out on all these channels. You're looking at the our conversation. And we would like you to ask questions. Oh, sure. Yeah. So if you want to tune in and watch this engagement between them and us, and then ask questions, Delaney will monitor that and bring those questions in. Yep, definitely.

And then what else were we talking about? Oh, Bathsheba and Uriah. But Hagios Numa in the Septuagint translation, Holy Spirit, I've never even heard of that's when it first comes up. Well, this person is trying to teach us, I think. He's saying what spirit got a hold of David and caused him to do those things. So it seems like there were spirits and that the the Holy Spirit maybe needed to be identified. Oh, time. Oh, that makes sense.

Is that what you're saying? That makes sense. Because look at in that day, the spirit realm was full like Kaiser talks about his divine counsel on these, these, these gods and these Nephilim and these spirits and stuff, right? So perhaps there was a very dark, evil spirit that consumed David's heart, got him to sleep with Bathsheba and kill her husband.

And maybe it was the Hagia spirit denoted there, like you say, that David tapped into. And I love that observation. I think that makes sense. Awesome. Let us know if that's what you meant though. I've put words in your proverbial mouth. I got to tell you guys, Delaney and I, we opened this up and we're just like, we don't have anything to really talk about. Look how it works.

When you guys bring to the table your hearts, your insights, you teach us yeah this is what needs to happen between us right and then yes yes ephesians 6 12 uh two figs says dark spirits right so who wanted to go after god's anointed in king david who or what spirit ultimately well i think it's the spirit of the dark you you know, whatever caused Satan to fall.

So that's why we start seeing Holy Spirit. Wow. I love that. You just taught us something great, Two Figs. Two Figs for Paradise. Thank you. Yeah, I love that. I have a thought about, or a follow-up question from the call, Neil, about unity. Oh. Like, because I was thinking about that from your teaching this morning, even.

He teaches Sunday schooled and through Matthew also on the Yeshuans platform. And like unity, I think for Yeshuans is about a heart condition. Unity is not about anything else. And it's also one person with another person. Would you say? I would. And I'm so glad you made that clarification because it's not even, they call it mind, but the mind is really the heart content.

we don't know where the mind is so our minds are all in different places yeah we all we vote differently we live differently so it's not in the mind it's not in our will it's not in our emotions we got people in every church who are united in the heart and some are laughing and some are crying and so it is unity of the heart good call and not in dress yeah and unity And unity is the, is the focus today because the disunity, we can't get anything done. Yeah. Disunity is so prevalent and nothing can happen from disunity. But the

answer for everybody is a teleological unity where we all gather over our mind or a common objective or whatever. And that's just becoming impossible like no one can do any like we're all on different pages but that is why delaney is the more i focus on some other things more and more as we unfold this year she's going to focus more on talking with people about that type of stuff and how the yeshivan model is even a good model for secular in engagement to some extent yeah you go into a corporation and say look this is how the christian church should work your

corporation should work the same you have the same heart for the corporation you got to get along with each other in all the other ways yeah i think so yeah no working through it all right the greek word for unity is mondad the gnostic god uh i thought i think he means monad but i could be wrong mon dad mon dad thank you daniel okay um sammy uh on over on instagram which the Instagram comments don't show here, but said, thank you, God, that you see this and see us praying for this family.

In Jesus' name, just trust him. Oh, thank you. Who said that, Sam? Sammy on Instagram. I like that name, Sammy. Reminds me of somebody. Samuel. Samuel? Samson? Oh. Sean McCraney? Monad. Yeah, Sam. Monad. Yeah. Oh? Samson. Oh. Sean McCraney. Monad. Yeah, Sam. Monad. Yeah. Oh, Monad. Yeah. Okay. Not Mondad. But thank you, Daniel.

Thank you. Okay. So, oh my gosh, it's three. Yeah. Oh, I was going to ask more questions. See how it goes? Yeah. I see why you said that. All right. Thank you all. Join us next week at 2. Well, I see why you said that. All right. Thank you all. Jonas next week at two. Well, we start at 230. So what should we do? We started to know but we started at 230 with Rossio Christie.

Well, you all will see the stream and they'll get on when Daniel on Yeah. See how she solves. Thanks for being here and for all your questions and calls. And we'll see you next time. Thanks, mom, dad.