March 22nd Fireside

LIVE CALL IN: March 22nd, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside with Shawn McCraney and Delaney McCraney Norris

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Because I said a curse word. I'm going to say God love it. Instead of God damn it, I'm going to say God love it. I like that. Yeah. Welcome, everybody. Delaney. Delaney. If you are new, we are Yeshuans. I'm Delaney. I'm Dad, Sean. We are here to take any calls that you have. You can submit questions in the live chat.

You can call or text us at 220-222-4686. Those numbers on your screen. We come from the fulfilled perspective. And you can see us as just another social media theologian like we just got called just another if anyone has that's true though isn't it in the spectrum of what's on social media I guess we are and it's true everyone's a theologian, which is hard because you've been doing it since...

Everyone's a... I guess so. If you... Jeff, you missed my curse word because I did not say it on the screen. That's right. Okay. please submit your questions. We can go to some comments from the week. Do you have anything to say? No, I think that you ought to watch both teachings today if you're interested in getting some new insights to things.

Both Matthew and Sunday School for March 22nd are, I think, worth your while, especially the Sunday School because it speaks to what we are really starting to say more and more in the face of what we have embraced as believers. They're incredible. They're really good. Thank you, Delaney. No bias there at all. I find them so valuable.

Okay. I also want to soft announce John the Baptist. You will be coming out to the world, boots on the ground. Oh, we have a call. Oh, ready. Let's take it. I love it. Hello, you are on the air, our friend. Hi, this is me. This is you, yeah. Who are you? My name's Max. Nice to talk with you and you, Sean. Hey, Max.

Nice to talk with you, you, Sean. Hey, Max. Nice to talk with you, Max. Yeah, go ahead. Well, Sean, I was made aware of you when I was born LVF and eventually converted to Catholicism. And so you actually had, I suppose, some of my memory holds kind of a way of influencing my my my deconversion from church of jesus christ latter-day saints um my question to you now is uh i don't know i've i've been wanting to talk to you because i i sort of have seen your your uh evolution on belief and teachings i suppose

maybe you would have put it that way um but i i guess my base question is where do you um get your authority from as far as the interpretation of the scriptures where do you get your authority from i don't have i don't have any authority and i interpret the scriptures uh based off what i think they say always admitting i could be wrong based off what I think they say, always admitting I could be wrong, and leaving everybody else to their own interpretation of what they read, trusting that the Spirit works on each of us relative to the place we are in life. I don't think that God gives the meat of the word to babes.

And so because of that, he works with us accordingly and every person has the right to mature and grow and change and and as they want according to the scripture so that's kind of my standard answer matt okay why then um i guess why then do you believe what you believe i mean if it's all sort of relative to where we are, and I love your before me reference, by the way, but if it's all sort of relative to where we are on the journey or path, I guess, why believe anything at all, or why practice faith at all?

Oh, well, I mean, I believe there is an objective truth out there that God is the one who has the handle on it. And we are his creations. And so we pursue him diligently in spirit and truth as a means to grow and mature. And for him to reveal more and more of the depth and breadth and height and width of him has become to understand him through maturity.

Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. breadth and height and width of him has become to understand him through maturity okay yeah fair enough i guess i'll throw in just a third question have you ever considered catholicism yeah i i've looked at catholicism over the years and uh listen i don't i I know there are a lot of really wonderful Catholic people who seek God from that position and I don't judge them or condemn them any more than I judge Mormons or Baptists or anybody else but God knows his children by their heart, not by their

denomination and the scripture frankly suggests that in his new covenant there would be no denominations because he would write his laws on the hearts and minds of everyone and no man will say no the lord know the lord for all will tell me and that's what he says that the son gave when the veil was written too and so i think max and no no disparaging remark on what you've pursued now as a man but i think that uh all brick and mortar religion after the uh return of christ to take his bride in that day is promised are the product of men and uh they do good they do bad but

god allows them because they help us in the different stages we're at and if it follows us if your heart is right more power to you brother are you a proponent of universal salvation and is that what i'm hearing you pitch there's an element of universal salvation to what we believe based in the fact that christ paid for the sin of the world 2 000 years ago past present and future and that reconciled the world to the father therefore we're all blank slates so everybody has been universally saved from the sin

they do because of adam's transgression the fall that said not everybody is saved to the kingdom of god because that comes only by faith and it only comes by a heart that is diligently seeking him so there is a universal salvation from sin but there's not a universal salvation to the kingdom and that's how we differentiated it differentiate it as yeshwans interesting interesting well i i appreciate being able to talk to you again it's you you it's sort of it's like uh i don't know never meet your heroes i suppose but i i do

remember you from youtube back in the old Heart of the Matter days, and thanks for helping me along my journey where I was, and God bless you both. Thank you so much. Hey, Max, before you hang up, I just want to suggest to you that you trusted me enough to allow me to help you see the truth about Mormonism, and I would just suggest that you go in with a great deal of scrutiny and mistrust and distrust and go check out what we have to say and challenge it test it fight it kick against it unless you're certain that the path you've chosen is absolutely correct

what the catholicism the the Catholic Church for me is number one, it's ancient as far as I can tell. It has that continuity of authority. It's sort of audacious in that way and I very much enjoy their tradition and the structure of the faith of the church and I see for me it holds great symbolic value. Yeah. For a while.

That's its draw. Absolutely. For me, anyways. And for many others, I discovered. All right, my friend. Thanks, Max. Let's talk again. God bless, brother. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Did we have someone calling several times? Yeah. If you were calling, please call back. It's an unknown number. So I couldn't manage to put you on hold for that reason.

So please call back. Yeah. And it's so unfortunate in some ways. But I don't, you know, Max is at least a person who has lost my faith and thinks there is a God. He does believe in jesus this person's calling back let's let's talk about max after okay hi sorry we missed you welcome hello praise jesus yes praise be praise be the fruit that's idolatry Grace be the fruit.

That's idolatry. Who is this? You know, my name is Carlos. Carlos, what's happening, brother? Not much. You know, I was going to call in and ask a couple questions. Number one, what's your denomination? It's a 10. Sometimes it's a 5. Every now and then, a 20. No, Carlos, we are non-never-ever denominational. We are multi-all denominations under one roof.

We take whatever is true in any denomination, including metaphysics, and we embrace all truth. If it promotes truth in God, faith in God, then we are of that denomination. All right. That's cool. That's cool. I'm a Catholic. All right. Another Catholic today. It's Catholic Sunday. Amen.

amen amen so i just had a couple questions uh number one i guess that's number two actually uh what do you think about israel it's not like are they the chosen people of god or israel through israel are people who believe in god by faith a A brick and mortar Israel, Israel that's centered in a land called Israel with Jerusalem, they're dead.

They're over. I love them as a culture. I love them as a people and all that, but there is no nation of Israel for which we are beholden to. That was destroyed in 70 AD to 134 by God himself. Destroyed. Lifed out. I thought it was destroyed by my ancestors, the Romans. Yeah, it was. God used them as the tool of destruction upon them.

But does that necessarily make the Romans bad? No. The Romans did what they had to do in the world. The nation thought it could beat them. It took them on, and they lost. Yeah. And I just, you know, I think that vision that was shown to Constantine is really coming to the circle of the Romans. They embraced Christianity.

You do, huh? After years of persecution i think that what constantine saw was a star dog that uh when it looks through certain light it looked like a cross and i think that he decided to band together and corporatize and dogmatize the faith so that they could stand on one God. And then they modeled him into a trinity.

And then that's what has been the historical go-to ever since. But I don't think that had anything to do with God. I think that's man. I totally think that was God. Of course you do. And you're welcome to that. And we love you the same. Carlos, you're welcome in our group as a follower of God as a Catholic you think Constantine was doing God's will fine and dandy brother right what do you think about maybe the Christians taking control of Israel well we talked about that we talked about that today in our after in our 10 o'clock study you You should watch it. I think it's worth it.

But we think that's an act of man, and we think that God is going to ultimately show what he really wants done. But, I mean, he wants us to have the land, considering he was on our side. What? What do you mean your side? You're not a Jew. Yeah, he was on the side. What? What do you mean your side? You're not a Jew.

Yeah, he was on the side of the Christians, the people who followed his son. Wait, wait, wait. His son was not, his son came as a Jew. The Jews were promised that land, but that was if they remained faithful. God gave them a bill of divorce in Jeremiah chapter 5, and he came and he destroyed them as he promised he would.

So what is this land that Jesus came for a heavenly Jerusalem? His kingdom was not of this world. The first crusade. Crusades? Those are of men. Brother, what are you hearkening to when you come to defend your faith? The crusades? Yes, the crusades were truly acts of God. I love you, man. Yeah, where they killed people over their faith.

And Jesus, he comes in. He says, no, it's finished. I paid for the sin. Thank you, Father. No, let's go and start killing people. No, I'm sorry, brother. I don't agree with you. The Muslims, they've taken most of the Christian world, about half of it. I don't know what that means, man. The Muslims are children of Abraham as well as they're not the promised children, but they're children of Abraham.

They are people who love God. They're monotheistic. The Christian world who love God. They're monotheistic. The Christian world is God. Yeah, they reject Jesus. Yeah, well, you know, they don't reject him as much as the Jews do, but you're supporting Israel. Do you make sense? You know, the Jews hate Christ.

They hate Christ. And yet we hate Muslims more than we hate Israel. I'm not against Israel, but, brother, I mean, the nation. I don't like either. I like, I love them both. See, that's the problem. You don't like them because you're a separatist based off what the traditions of man have taught you. But Christ said, let's come to a unity of the faith.

You want to divide over doctrine and practice. They rise violently. What? They are violent against us. you know what and we're violent against them you mentioned the crusade what do you think that was it is hey hey search up the selenium conquest of anacolia search up our media watch of spanish history what search up what why you want to believe revision is extreme by the victors? I want to follow what the Bible says.

That's what I follow. What the Bible says. And I want to defend the faith, and it sounds like you don't want to defend the faith. What do you want to defend the faith from? Heretic. What do you want to defend the faith from, you mighty one? God needs you to defend the faith? Oh, come on. Take your hit.

Take your hit if someone's violent toward you to defend the faith violently oh come on take your head take your hit if someone's violent toward you turn the cheek take the punishment die for christ you want to take up arms what the hell did christ do yeah what did christ do he died he died on a cross he did not fight back yeah what kingdom's not of this world? And you're calling us heretics? Why should we lie down? Because we're sheep and we lie down.

We are not wolves. Christ covered it. Christ did the work. You don't have to do more for him. He's got it covered. Amen. Hey, I'm not going to say it idly by and let my people be slaughtered. Good for you, brother. Your people. Go out and fight. You do the will of God. Kill people in the name of God who want to kill you and think you do God's bidding.

Welcome to the world. Welcome to every other religion. They desecrate everything they touch. So are you. So are you. You are really unfortunate in terms of your love man those there's good Muslim people better in their devotion to God than you are and then I am but you think because they don't have the fullness of truth I'm fully devoted to Jesus Christ uh-huh you're so fully You're so fully devoted, Carlos, you hate another people.

That's devoted to Christ. What did you just say? What did you just say? They're dirty feet? What is that? What are you talking about? That's so rude. They're dirty feet? What kind of rhetoric have you cut your teeth on? They kill us and they slaughter us. So what? I'll stand idly by. I'll stand idly by while we're killed all the day long the romans killed christ he was killed that was the jews okay yeah so killing happens when you're a christian and you want to res uh resort against it christ said this carlos i think it was of this

world my servants would fight but because it's not of this world, they don't. You're fighting. You've bought into a whole system of anti-other group. Muslims, leave them alone. They love God. They might persecute. So if they don't, what did Christ say about those who persecute you, Carlos? What did he say? He said, blessed are they.

What did he say? What did he say about your enemies? He said, love them, Carlos. Shut up with your popes. We don't care about your man-made doctrine. Pope, pope, pope, pope. He didn't give those keys to Peter. James was the one who was over at church at Jerusalem. You've bought into hook, line, and sinker man-made religion, Carlos.

You are nothing but a dumb sheep. Yeah, yeah, right. With all their molestations and their false priesthood and their mariology. Yeah, you follow the church of Christ. All right, buddy. Yeah, that is it, man. They're just a 30 years war. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You are boring. Hang up on them. We don't care about that.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can't believe people say I follow the blank, blank, blank of Christ instead of I follow Christ. I know. I cannot believe you quoted Christ and he quoted the Pope. Like, I can't believe that that was a real conversation. And he believed he was right. Oh, my gosh. It's what we're talking about, man.

I was harsh on carlos we don't care but if he's gonna call and he wants to say dumb things we're gonna stand against it that was i think and then you shake in the head it's so funny how we have two catholics Catholicism's kind of yeah that's not a good sign I know we've talked about this yeah it's it's weekly now that we get someone saying come back to the Catholic church blah blah let's talk about Max the first caller but um someone just another question that's like do you think israel reforming as a nation is random or has something to do with eschatology daniel's 70th week

i think that eschatology has been hijacked by the narrative used by the nation of israel and that they use it for us to be their allies and i think that the nation of israel uh bottom line was over before they even went into the babylonian captivity they were over and then when they came out of captivity they were idolaters they were the synagogue of satan as christ called them their father was the devil in that day and that uh wrath of God fell upon them and destroyed them.

Absolutely in 70 AD and material religion was wiped out. And the reformation of Israel is nothing but a game of religion by men. It's all for power and political sway and governance over the earth. And I renounce personally all of it. don't have to and i do okay um someone named gloria bridget is saying she wants to donate 575 000 because she has cancer and it's all in spanish and i blocked you because that is a scam dang i thought it was real um jeff said crusades were just okay first of all dr max he said ancient is an interesting intrigue very tempting for someone coming out of

mormonism i suggest truth integrity honesty and their opposites exist in all times yeah and like i thought the same thing it was like he went from mormonism to catholicism literally the same thing except more ancient than the other and catholicism is not ancient it's like new relatively speaking compared to it it's so like very weird yeah I'm really fascinated by the whole thing to tell you the truth God has a lot to follow I just say test it by it what it has done has it represented Christ and it hasn't I don't really care

do you? no it's like the current state of the world prompts a response to fix it some people want to return to something and they're returning to not the source they're returning to the first thing closest to the source that's easier to understand yeah it gives them answers they don't have to delaney and i we propose and so do many people who join us you have the right as an individual to go directly to god and to ask him your questions and that god will speak to you through his spirit and that he won't lead you astray and the way you tell if you're being led astray is by the love it produces in

your life does what you have agreed to in your life produce love we just heard from a guy named carlos and it was he full of love no he has to hate the muslims the dirty footed wherever he got that i don't know i know a lot of muslims have very clean feet you know it's just such sickness in this world and religion has brought it out of all of us we say go directly to god and love each other boom period yeah um uh jeff said crusades were discussing i'm glad christians they are not conquering world empire even though i'm converting to jesus and I denounce the same conquering attitude in ancient Israel writings.

Mass killings, and God's name's always wrong. And then, which means God wants from that person. R.D. Albright continues to tune into our stuff which by the way i caught a comment from this person on a show it might have been a i don't know earlier show from the deconstructing evangelicalism section where you really liked us you were all praise god for what we were doing so it's interesting to see how you've turned on us but what happened d all bright yeah uh last time i tuned in you were cursing let's hear some curse words today why do you want to say to do that we

curse when it's fitting we don't curse like man we're not doing it to be rebellious we're doing it because sometimes there's a word that can only fit a certain thing depending on the subject matter. And sometimes it's a curse word, you know? So D. Albright, try to look beyond that. Try to hear what the content is really about and get over your pettiness of, you know, little words that offend you.

Good evening. Good evening. Yeah, I will. words that offend you. Good evening. Good evening. Yeah. I also am Max, if you're still listening, curious why you say never meet your heroes. I found that pretty good. Hey, man. Like what? Really, really on the nose to say that to someone to their face when they're telling say that to someone, to their face, when they're telling you that they just want to love.

He was like, I watched you on Old Red of the Matter. He expected you to come with some fervor. And because you've gotten more loving over time, he says never meet your heroes. What men want from each other. Yeah. Yeah.

he says never meet your heroes what men want from each other yeah yeah we got in the video bench hero interviewing dr william and craig it's worth watching in my humble opinion that was for jeff that was from lanagan uh and then it's freaking fricker of this generation you see a curse word i love that uh srigata what's the topic it's open topics you are welcome to just a call-in for whatever questions we have from the week bring something to the table both from catholics you actually talked about Catholicism in your teaching this morning, which we encourage people to go to.

Yeah. Yeah, people's solution is to go back to the easiest religion. Ours is to just go to the source and be on your own. Amen. Go to the source. Okay. and be on your own. Amen. Go to the source. Okay. Let's pull up some questions. We were, before the calls came in, though, we were going to announce John the Baptist.

Yeah. John the Baptist is coming to theaters near you. Um, starting around october a our public persona to sta out and not just be onli in our own world. We want people start that. Yes. I I don't believe please do you point that out and th because we want you to know we love you in your unbelief. Yes. Okay. Let's move on.

Oh, another text. What would your curriculum be for teaching a group of 10 to 12-year-olds Sunday school? That's a good question. That is a really good question. My curriculum would be to give them an overview of the Bible without getting into the weeds, explain the general thing and have them ask questions about it.

And that would be how God started off with a man and a woman and how, you know, in the beginning, he separated light from darkness and the nation of Israel and the sun of israel and his son and the law and the prophets and the death and crucifixion then his ascension and his return and then what the commandment is for all the world today who he saved from sin and that's faith and love and that's what i would really enforce with 10 year olds today 10 year olds today.

His love. Delaney likes that. Okay. Going back to questions. Jeff says not to be confused with Sean, the Southern Baptist. That's right. We're getting a lot of like, I left Mormonism in 2000 in 2000 whatever thanks to sean i just don't yeah they they just do with mormonism but maybe they will though we had someone that commented on 45 biblically Supported Reasons series.

And they added more where they're like, they called it... We're not done with that yet. Yes. They kind of summarize what we say. Okay. anxiety let me sorry guys people are writing in different languages in tongues what is happening I don't know the audio is not best sorry we're working on that we we just had someone donate some uh marilyn donated some microphones to us and we're working on figuring out how to put those in so thank you and uh thank you merrily i gotta call you and thank you for that new caller hey you're on the air hey how's it going hey good

who's this this is chad what are you doing today huh hey chad are we getting a prank call Hey, Chad, are we getting a prank call? No, I guess. How you doing? What's the big joke? There's no joke, man, except my face and beard. What are you doing? Yeah, yeah, pretty fun stuff looking, huh? There you go. What's going on, Chad? What's going on? Our D.R. Albright wanted some swearing, and he brought it.

What? Huh? What? What? Are you okay? Yeah, I guess. Are we going to waste our time with this? Why don't you get to a point, man? I was just calling in to tell you I'm enjoying the show, but you're being real passive-aggressive and bitchy. I don't know if you're... Well, I'm being straight up dicky to you because you're being an idiot.

Come on. You're being an idiot. You're being an idiot. Come on. We knew that the minute he started talking. What is going on? I don't know. Yeah, something is psycho with the internet. I don't know what that is i don't either but listen about that guy who just called you know and this kind of thing like people think that our responses are not loving actually our responses are in harmony with what they bring our love is for people relative to their faith and their right to believe as they want. When it comes to misbehavior, you're not going to see us being Christ. We're going

to call out misbehavior for what it is and still love them. Now, so we're not going to fall into the politically correct love that the world wants. We will address things as as they come forward. And if someone wants to call in and be a jerk, they're going to be treated commensurately and straightly and truthfully.

All right. Okay. So I wanted to translate. This person is telling us we should translate what they're saying. I did. So another missed call from an unknown number. I don't know about this. Christians, Jews. This is what that translates to. Christian Jews, pagans, pray that the land is their inheritance. God will judge in his three names.

The whole world is at war here, but we have a rightful claim. God is just that we bear it. I feel like the world is going insane. I think that is absolute dominionism and I think that is to let go of the land a bit and reconcile the world and walk in faith and love and get off this stuff. You guys will be in peace.

This is when you're married now. This is actual insanity actual I agree we can go hide in a hole in the ground blessed are the peacemakers they should be called the children of God where's the peace where's the merciful that Christ talked about where's the turning the other cheek where's the suffering where's the being persecuted and loving your enemies as yourself? You guys have all become pawns in the hands of weaponized Christianity.

It's sickening. Someone else said that other comment, Christian forward. The spring equinox must have called for the weirdos, like a full moon to werewolves. For real, I'm like scared right now. The previous questions about Sunday school and such, that person said, I also went to Calvary Chapel Costa Rica. Hey.

I think you might know this person. Do you? I think you do. This is Randy in York, Pennsylvania. He's. Yeah. Can you do a duet of the outro song, The Lord Bless Thee? You know that song? Yeah. The Lord bless thee and keep thee.

song yeah um and then finally said when you realized calvary chapel wasn't the best way did you feel like you were alive to welcome out of lps i felt i was misled by well-meaning people there's no less people people who really wanted to believe the narrative that's been passed down for decades and centuries and but i do chuck smith was a very salt of the earth guy he wasn't perfect and many of the people there are zealously inclined to help usher in the kingdom of christ but i don't see them as being deceptive like mormonism was mormonism burnt me on what men can do to us with their discussions.

Calvary Chapel just showed me that the end of truth is not in the hand of men. On that note, Adam, we'll get to your question, but on the same note, can you tell the story of how you got kicked off TV when you went up to Protestant megachurches? Yeah. What happened was Mary, my wife, and I decided to spend the month of December going to the different largest churches in Utah, the top 10 largest evangelical churches that we had spent six years bringing people to. And we saw that it was a show. It was a dog and

pony show. It was about money. It was about the pastor. They weren't teaching the Bible in those places. And it infuriated us. So we got on the air at the first week of January in 2013. And we said, we're going to go after evangelicalism with as much fervor and passion as we went after Mormonism. And within five days, we were off the air.

So that's what happened. It greg johnson who left the charge and all the churches got together they made sure that the owners of the station removed me but it was a blessing in disguise because it said you know cut your your ties with making sure that the owners of the station are happy with what you say and do and it led us into really seeking for another 13 years what christianity was all about and that's what we represent today whether you like it or not it is a position that is just as valid as anything else you're believing so that's what it was sacred uh griff i like that

name um uh and then adam can you help me understand what it means in Luke where it says Adam is the son of God in the lineage it gives in Adam and Corinthians yeah that's a great one because Christ really was a second Adam, as Paul calls him. And the first was, you know, the first man and woman.

So, you know, I think that he was right when he was his first, he was God's first son, so to speak, of the nature in the garden. But Christ was God's only begotten son. And so there's a difference. Adam wasn't begotten. Adam was made. Christ was begotten by God through his resurrection. That's when Christ got the validation from God, you are mine, and because of the resurrection, Acts 13.

30, God said, you are my begotten son. Matthew Aiken too says thanks for all your good work over the years McCraney family and donated $5 hey yeah I see it different on my side and another we have sworn our sacred oath from the sound of bells we hear the theme of our good lord oh lord god yes for me that is psycho speak for zealotry yeah i'm really i know there's no fear but i'm scared for this world right now it's no fear no fear but I'm scared for this world right now.

It's freaking disturbing. No fear. No fear, Delaney. Yep. A puppy says, I'll talk about your singing. Remind me, I miss the old existential cowboy intro. I love that intro. I do too. I'm on a ride. Yeah, I've loved all the old intros too, but the problem is we ran into an issue with YouTube and music rights, and it threw us into this discombobulation.

So maybe someday Delaney will gather all the intros and make them into one song. Yeah. I was going to read. I want to address Todd. Maybe I was distracted. We can expand on what Sean and Dad just talked about. Will you be traveling? Will the IDI teach you to be be traveling will you have help thanks that's a great question we will be traveling we're going to start at the northernmost part of utah and we're going to hit the western mountains delaney and i will be out there and we're going to invite people to come out we're going to target special groups of people along the wasatch front

whatever we're going to take that it's just going to be hour-long presentations to them and our central message from the baptist is you've been lied to and uh by well-meaning people who have passed on traditions that are not true and uh today we made it choose to have a direct relationship with the lord jesus christ unencumbered by anyone or anything else anything nothing between you and him join us in the movement look up yes you can stop faith that's what the shonda baptist message is going to be up and down the loss Angeles front. And then once we do Utah, we're going to break

out into other states. We have some people already to turn and do interviews in advance on podcasts and stuff. We're getting those all over the place. Isn't that funny? Tell them your experience. Yeah, this is me being on social media, following people, watching how they talk all about deconstruction and criticism of the church, all sorts of things.

things with me, not Sean, with my tone, with an explanation of fulfilled theology and what – that's Eric. We're live. That's Eric Jonas, Lexington Cromwell. And they just flat out no. And I said, can I ask why? And just no answer. No answer? One of them responded and was like, we have a lot of people ask and can't take everybody.

They don't tell me, you know? So it's a bummer. One in particular is, it's a bummer one in particular is uh one in particular it was the bible for normal people i reached out to them phony in my opinion i think it's a joke they say they take radicals i don't think we do um our harbinger is that how you say it harbinger by utley that's yeah it was amazing i don't know why that guy is in all over the world so good we loved all of those uh he's sending intros to the show listen uh also uh uh God asks, do you have invites to speak?

And no, we hope that we'll get invites from each geographical area, whether it's church or schools or kids groups. That as Sean the Baptist comes and visits the West Desert outside of, let's just say, Ogden, that we'll get invites to come into certain institutions in the Ogden area to hear the Shonda Baptist message.

And let me tell you something. Delaney's reaching out to these different groups that are saying they're so open and everything. Let me tell you this. If we had an audience, if we had an audience that would scrutinize our message, question us and give us a chance to speak, that was big and worldwide or nationwide it would change the complexion of christianity and they know it so they won't do it they're afraid they don't have answers to the stuff that we have discovered and find so they're afraid and they're

not going to do it so it's going to be an act of God for us to get out of it. Eric says he thinks he's solved the preterism issue. Christ was raised and showed himself to his followers. I don't know where the issue was, by the way, but the new heaven and new earth hasn't happened. That's what he says. I don't understand that.

I don't understand that. Yeah. If you guys have any suggestions on how we get this Shambhag to sing out more, please let me know. And by the way, we also invite you, if we come to your area of the state and you live in Northern Utah, we invite you to come out and be our friend and we'll hug you and love you and stand there while we do the thing.

Maybe you can talk to some people if they come out in the West Desert. And it's going to be a desert scene. It's really going to be. I believe that we are coming in the spirit of John the Baptist, just like John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah. So it's biblical. You can come in the spirit of different beings and we believe that's what's happening today. The book of Revelation hasn't happened yet.

Lexington Cromwell, please. Will you please speak truth? I think this is the same caller. Let's take him. It's fun. Let's see what he has to say. My dominic, I'm here in Let's take him. It's fun. Let's see what he has to say. Okay, so that was horrible and deplorable. They're trying to get our YouTube to get canceled because of this now. Oh, that's what.

So now we're entering the sabotage phase. All right. So the war is on. Can you eliminate that, can't we, somehow? Yeah. I don't know. We had this with part of the matter, and it just grows. It's the dark. It's lunatics, mostly religious lunatics, sitting behind the protection of their computer. We invite them to come in any time and record their resistance is their question.

But we can't do that because of this. And I'm glad you know what's going on there. I don't. I'm just shocked at the amount of effort people put into a live stream that has 11 people on it. Like 11 people, you know that we have like real roots in people's hearts, that we're saying a real message that is in love.

And you come on and attack. I just, it's astounding. The spirit of Christianity today. Oh yeah. It's, it's no different than the spirit of Judaism in Jesus day. It's the same thing. Same thing. Satan. Josh Paul says, Sean, love to hear your apologetics against Mormonism. I've been watching you for a decade, sir. Thank you. And we thank you, Josh Paul.

You look like Steve Utley, sort of, but I don't know if that's you or not. So thank you so much for that compliment. And then Lexington Cromwell said, once I'm fit, I'm starting a nudist church. Well, how about it, brother? Because there's nothing worse than most people being naked in the light of the church.

It would be horrible. You will. Jeff O'Driscoll said we had lunch together a few years ago. I really enjoyed visiting with you. I want to do it again soon to catch up. All right. We'd love to do it with you,ff o'driscoll you guys share the news that there's an alternative out there that can be dissected challenged run over by the car and it will hold water and if you are tired of these games if you're tired of these shenanigans if you're tired of people hating in the name of jesus uh check out what we're

having to say and again we argue with people who are idiots but it doesn't mean we don't love them and then lexington cromwell just said he's kidding he's not gonna start a nudist church adam hawkins adds they must wear socks revelation was written about the current political schema at that time it's not relevant today i agree with the issues and everything but i can attest just a hundred percent thank you for that attestation uh yes and is that the masonic emblem on your little uh icon of yourself that's fascinating to me. We should talk some good stuff. That's Jeff.

Jeff Day. Yeah, no, we should talk about it. Oh, okay. He's made some stuff. Okay, I got that comment from the Action Defeats Anxiety on 45 politically supportive reasons our religion is over. He said seven qualities to evangelical America. First, biblical interpretation versus historically accurate analysis of text.

Two, eschatology. Three, soteriology. Four, soteriology four soteriology part two five occlusion he does the same thing I agree who is that he but at the end he says don't be fooled be a Berean yeah Bereans are people who study the scripture let it test but the Berean church are futurist for the most part if I understand them right so that didn't help I think they're preterites Bereans I agree But the Berean church are futurist for the most part, if I understand them right. So that didn't help.

I think they're preterites. Bereans? I don't know if you can categorize anything because a Berean is, there's an official Berean today that use that name. And then they're just people who say, I follow the Berean method of searching the Bible. Oh, oh, right. Okay. I see. It's confusing because there's something called the Berean Bible Church and it calls it, it says the birth of, like, their preterist explicitly.

So that, it's like a certain church that calls themselves the Berean Church is preterist. It's confusing. Lanigan says, I would love for you to share a message with a local church in Logan called Alpine church. But like so many, I think they're too close minded. They're afraid of change to tolerate and send an opinion.

I can agree. That's probably the case. My brother, can you lose your salvation? I send so much. I'm weirded out by some Christians. Eric, you're not going to lose your salvation if you are a man who does not lose faith in Christ. So just believe on him. Don't worry about all the rest. Max texts and says, just want to say thanks for keeping the stream going despite the trolls.

You're welcome, brother. Thanks for tuning in. And I don't mind you calling, Max, and talking about Catholicism. I think it's a different Max. He says, I know the pastor. I wonder if he would entertain you and your message. Well, Mr. Manigate, go to him and say, say Sean the Baptist wants to come and preach what he's saying and see what he says.

The whole point is that you're teaching love. You're going to bring eschatology into it, but it's not going to be a theological battle. No. We agree with the theology. You want to bring unity with the theology. Unity. Unity. We want to argue from a position that we are always going to differ on points of faith. We will.

But let's just agree to let God figure that out and bring us up as adolescents. And then let's love each other. Let's love across the aisle with agape love as Christ taught. That is the Sean the Baptist message. So if you, just to put it this way, if I'm standing looking at a group out in the desert and there are 10 people there and there is a Muslim and a Jew and a Hindu and a Catholic and a Mormon, I'm going to say love each other.

Let each other believe as they choose to believe. Shine a light of love. That is what our message is going to be. And if you don't even like it, you're buying into the rhetoric of everything else. Lexington Cromwell, you're going to have to stop posting. This is a stream. This is a stream for a live show, Lexington, so I'm sorry, but no one cares that you need to prove that you You're so sad.

And that here's to America. We love you, but we don't need all that on this one. How far are these? Oh, Jeff says, how far are these in the wilderness? Do these involve substantial hiking to attend? No, we're going to have them be not far off at all, but remote enough, like five to eight miles. And that's what it's going to be about.

Jordis Berg, what did he say? He said, watched your HOTM number of years ago, learned a lot about different concepts of faith. Really glad you're still out here. I'm going to try to start watching again. Oh, we hope you do, man. And share the word and test our stuff. Don't believe us. That's always our clarion call.

We are men and women. We are a family. We make mistakes, but we sincerely think that we have something that's worth testing. Did you read this one right here that I'm putting up on the screen? Oh, no. The book of Abraham seems to debunk Mormonism. It's so clear. I just don't get how Mormons can have that issue explained to them and still believe Mormonism.

Do you have a theory? Yeah, my theory is this, that belief trumps truth all the time. Belief and the desire to believe will far outweigh the facts and proof. proof. And I've discovered that, Josh Ball, over and over and over again. You can show some people a picture that will prove what they believe is wrong, and they'll say, I don't care.

And so the Book of Abraham discoveries, how fraudulent it was, and all the stuff that Smith lied about, it mattered to a certain segment of Mormonismism and it led to more of a decline in their membership over time by others who look into it, see it and say, I'm never pointing that church.

Bottom line, true believers, as pointed out by Eric Hoffer in the book, the true believer will always believe no matter what the evidence does. no matter what the evidence says. Okay. I'm going to keep going. I don't know how you remove that. Oh, we're about done. Do you want to wrap up? Do you want to say anything before we end the stream? We just have to reiterate, we are, Christ is our king he is our god he is our access to the invisible father we worship him in spirit and truth and we believe in his command of faith and love that's it and so we give everybody else that right in his name, and we promote peace, love, and understanding.

Finally, we have a question from Sacred Grits. Do you want to read it? Here's a question. Has the curse of the Tower of Babel been lifted now that with translation, software, and language barriers are disappearing? What was the biblical consequence of this? I'm reading that, but what does he mean by what is the biblical consequence of this? of the fact it's kind of I think what you were talking about in your teaching this morning with barriers of language making a new one world oh I see yeah know, maybe next week we can talk about this more

because we have been fed a line, and I think it bears investigation, and that is there is a one-world government similar to the Tower of Babel and that God never wanted that. That's why he dispersed them at Babel, because he said there's nothing that will stop him. And so today, you know, are we supposed to fight and war against this one world nation? And we'll talk all about that next week and also on Sunday's shows.

Yeah, and Jeff said, as a world we misunderstand each other more than just letters and words, but by talking past each other, even if we speak the same supposed language. Amen to that. And that's why I love, and we've been talking a lot about this in our family, that language is a funny thing. You know, we've been talking about Baudrillard.

We've been talking about Wittgenstein. We've been talking about Chomsrillard, we've been talking about Wittgenstein, we've been talking about Chomsky and their language models. There's a lot to that. So that might fit into this Tower of Babel urgency that we got to stop it from one world collecting and all the other rhetoric that comes along with the false eschatology.

I hope that makes sense. On we go next week. Thanks, everyone, for tuning in. See you next time. Love you guys. you