March 29th Fireside

LIVE CALL IN: March 29th, 2026 Yeshuan Fireside with Shawn McCraney and Delaney McCraney Norris

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you Hello? Hello? Hello everyone! I look like Father Padre. I look like Father John. Don't know. Don't interfere. Don't know. Hey, that's Sean.

Hi. I'm Delaney. That's Delaney. We are part of Jesuwans. Family business. Yes. We teach the Jesuwam model. Yes. That is to change Christianity. She's going out this afternoon. Yeah, I'm not sure. It makes faith subjective. There's so much to it, but the point is love for us. Ehm, and we don't think religion does that. So...

We had a bunch of weird calls last week, but this is our calling hour where you can call, text, or comment on stream. 220.222.020.224.686 Call, talk to us and be human and don't play pranks on us or whatever they call it, please. with us and be human and don't play pranks on us or whatever they call it, please.

Let's just talk. This is meant to challenge us and discuss our perspectives. We want to discuss, but we don't want to fight. Ask questions, share your opinion, tell us what you think. We will discuss openly and honestly and try not to attack each other. Okay, we have some questions from the past week that we can start with.

And a topic we can discuss. Is, okay, first a few questions from Tad. He asks for the ten words. He says. Quote the most important ten words that God gave to this people were, I am Yahweh your God, you shall know other gods before me. Quotation mark and all other commandments were merely expressions of how to obey the ten words specifically would look like.

The first ten words were essentially a marriage contract that God entered into people closed. He said, I probably have a stupid question, no surprise, quote, anyway, the above quote is referred to as the ten words, but what is in quote is more than ten literal words in English or Hebraeus. Why does it become ten words instead of ten Hebrew words? I challenged that too when I first discovered it through Grady in our conversations and I said, no, there are more than ten Hebrew words.

For the quote is, I am the Lord your God. For the quote is, I am the Lord your God. And then there's a parenthetical reference that says, who brought you out of Egypt and saved you? That's not part of the ten words. Okay, quote. I am the Lord your God. There are no other words for me in Hebrew. Written and read backwards that is ten Hebrew words.

Okay, why does he say that? So it's just Tad's mistake because he says it's English, or Tad's mistake, and I don't blame him, because I read it first and disputed it. But when I actually had to look into it and research Grady, who told me he was right. Okay, EHM, so then that asked. Wait, sorry, I wanted to ask what those ten words are.

Is that somewhere else in the Bible that you're referring to? Why those... Ten words in the Bible? But the Hebrew culture, the Jews, the ancient Jewish writings, the Talmud and the Mena call the Ten Commandments the Ten Words. Yes. Okay, so then he said he was asking about Catuba. He said that a marriage contract in Catuba specifically addresses a man's obligations to his wife under Jewish law, material provisions, protection, and so on.

If that is true, why is Catuba in the Old Testament talking about what the Hebrews were obligated to do? That seems the opposite to me. about what the Hebrews were obliged to do. That seems the opposite to me. Because I think Cuban law was more than just a description of what the father would do. I think Cuban law also stipulated contractually what the woman would do in response.

So I'm not sure if what Tad says is correct. If it is correct, then we need to look at it again and try to figure out what the woman's obligations. But you must remember that there were two laws, one and the other. I don't remember which one. And they interpreted the contractual agreement different in marriage between man and woman.

According to one law, the husband could love his wife divorce if she was unfaithful to him. Divorce his wife according to the other law if she was unfaithful to him. According to the other law, he could only divorce her if she left him. But she did have certain obligations. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. EHM, anyone else in your Suwan AI chatbot, if you go to Yesh, we have an app, yes.

Believe us, we have an app. Yes. Believe us, we have an app. You can ask questions based on all the decades of written content. Uhm, so I'm reading questions that people have submitted in there. Nice. Ehm, someone asked, what is Jesus' position on jealousy? Jealousy is not forbidden in scripture. God is a jealous God.

A man who is jealous of his wife is angry because another man is trying to take her away and do things to her, using her in ways that are harmful to the woman he loves. So a jealous man is fine. But jealousy... continues... than that, and there is a difference between jealousy and envy. Yes, jealousy is, I own this, don't try to take it away from me.

Envy is, you have it, I want it. So they're not the same things. But jealousy is permitted in the scripture, only in the spirit of it and not in the flesh of it. Yes. It is very natural for couples to be jealous of the one they love being taken from them by someone else. Oh, I see. That's strange, I've never understood jealousy that way.

Yes, and that is why God is a jealous God. It is not that people idolize someone else, or that someone is someone else's property and is jealous of that. It is that he has us and is jealous if we go to another idol. Yes, and he is jealous of our well-being because he knows I will treat you better than anywhere you go.

So it's not like I own you. It's more like, don't do this. This makes me angry. Yes. It's sad to see it happen. Yes. That's interesting. Okay. Sad to see happen. Yes. That's interesting. Okay. Ehm, and then someone else asked about the name of God, who asked the AI, and we have received a few responses to your explanation of the name of God.

How? Nice you compare it to the breath. But could you please quickly explain why we call God Jahava? You have a phone call. We have a text message. This is interesting. It doesn't seem strange to the young woman that your own father happens to be the one with the correct interpretation of Christianity. Or have you probably been brainwashed before? I love it. Thank you. I think this is fantastic.

You should ask my daughter this. Yes, you should. Tell her, how did you get brainwashed? What was the process? What has been added? Ehm, I mean, there's a long and a short version of this. The short version is that he doesn't claim there is one correct version. He claims there is no correct version. So...

And then they would say you you have been brainwashed as a result. Okay, that's fine. Ehm, secondly I think there's something to do with genetics has to do with, which makes us see things and I understand what he is saying in a way that other people might not even understand. And EHM, I try to make this or that EHM heard in the world through a different voice, I think.

Yes. EHM, I'm not saying it's EHM either. is the only way. We are trying to debunk the idea that there is only one way, and that's what Christianity does. Uhm, then. There is the element of our experience, namely that I am 32. I have more. More experience with evangelism than he, even if you are trained in it.

But I really have very different experiences than him, also in higher education. I come to similar conclusions, probably because of my genes, but in very different ways. He thinks about things in a completely different way than I do. And I don't want to consider his way here as the only right way. If you listen to our content, you'll see that we try to highlight different perspectives through discussion and questions.

I don't think I've ever, the whole series, I don't understand the Bible is that I ask questions to learn what you teach. Yes. It's not about you to stick to what you learn, but to question your teaching. So, period. It's very interesting that you call me brainwashed. Before you go any further, going back to the experience she mentioned, I want to ask you, when our my family was Mormon and I left the church.

Have you ever heard me tell you to leave church? Oh my god, yeah, I'll get to that too. Your interaction with me. Those are my life experiences that are very different from yours. And you, as a father, are a completely different person. I don't think I was brainwashed by him, because for a long time I didn't even really feel him as my father.

We were so far apart. So there's that element of you almost being more of a colleague to me. Yes. More than a father. No. Yes, because of our circumstances. Yes, he did the show. He was in another state for much of my childhood. And along the way, I can't tell you how many times I struggled with esotology and you know, I went to Point Loma Nazarene University and heard the opposite of what he said. And she really had a hard time with what you said.

She challenged me, she thought I could do it was wrong, so, and I never said you were wrong. Never. I'm not like that. And to recap, I'm not even saying he's the only right way. That's right. It's just an interesting point of view that I think deserves as much attention as... ...anyone else. And at the very least it challenges systems thinking, something I...

as a person I hate. Like him, I was already working on it in a secular way before it became a current topic. So if that's not enough for you, then I'm brainwashed and that's fine. I'd like to put the question back to you, do you really not think you have been brainwashed by Christianity? You know, I don't know what to say.

Let's compare the stories, apples to apples, with yours, and I think you'll see that she was raised with the freedom to think and believe whatever she wants. Yes, they, we have programs with expectations and we debate and talk about things, but open, free speech and faith have always been there. I have a daughter who is an atheist and we have many different backgrounds in our family.

I have always loved them just the way they are and I think if there has been an influence on my children it is the love, the unconditional love they have received. If that's brainwashing, then call God a brainwasher. Yes, we are all very different in how we conceptualize God. And? We say in our content, and he says it to me personally often, that this body of work of his has to evolve with how I see it.

You know, it has to change. It has to grow with me, not only with me, but also with others. That's the whole point of Jesuens, there is input. We have people following the program, so they join our think tank and we have more voices. It is not static, it is dynamic, because the mind is dynamic and if it ever becomes static, it becomes a religion and we have voices. It... ...is not static. It's dynamic... ...because the mind is dynamic and if it ever...

...it becomes static, it becomes a religion... ...and we failed. EHM. Wow. They say one day you look back... ...in these images, just like an escapee... ...polygamous sister. You're in the middle of it now, but you'll get out and your eyes will be opened. I'm so interested. You know, you're probably one of twenty people now.

You are not alone, you are not... that prophetic voice in my life that says something no one else says. You are one of many who criticize my work. I am one of many who criticize my work. EHM and I gave up a full-fledged career working with other visionaries in architecture and then my second career in business to do this.

I chose it and I'm so fascinated by Christians who just try to bash me for that choice. So I'll just call you on that. Well done, nice tone, well done. And that's what she brings. That's where our family is similar because you attack some and I really want to know what she, in ten years she will feel like a polygamist woman.

What will she say? That my mom and dad preached that it's all about faith and love. She will be ashamed. I mean, the only thing she feels, given what we've taught her, might be ashamed or regret, is when Jeebus comes back and burns everyone. And I really wonder about that sometimes I don't see it as a cliché, I think the content and the completeness of it really shows that we are working on this as individuals with our family. You don't know what's going on in the background.

I write for myself. I also do other work, but we have another voice here that talks, which I appreciate. He says, instead of being brainwashed, I think you're showing that this is a different person. I think you show the love between a father and children that reflects the relationship between Christ and the father.

Quotation mark, that love is a revelation from God. It's the kind of love that extends beyond itself and shows who he is. That's what I really care about. And what intrigues me about all these voices is that this is my father. Just like mine father, I work with my father. That's how far America is from any sense of...

...virtue. And I work with my father. You should be happy with that. How often do you see a daughter working with her father? So there are implications. If you read between the lines, one implication is that I'm bad. I am so evil that I need power so desperately that I would use my own flesh and blood to deceive you.

The second implication is that you are too stupid. In short, it's between the lines. You're too stupid to think for yourself. So, you must have been brainwashed. And so they survive with their own conscience, by trying to understand how what they see could be possible. Quotation mark, logical. Yes. We criticize you Sofia Coppola for making films, because her father Francis Ford Coppola also makes films.

Of course they do, really. There are critics who say it is nepotism. You only make films because you are a child of nepotism. But would they really do that? Okay, I guess that makes sense. But it's very different when it comes to things. They wouldn't call her brainwashed. Right? They would say she has an edge. I also have an advantage. An advantage through suffering.

Certainly. You have an advantage because of poverty. Sure, yes, like being attacked. That's something else again. Yes, that's something different. Nobody. This is going to make me emotional. Nobody. EHM. I constantly wrestle with God about everything this type of work entails. It has brought nothing but pain to my parents and I have to struggle with it.

I'm signing up for that with a new daughter and it's so hard to think about that and I know that's going to happen. I mean, they didn't benefit from it. They got it right for ago. So... I'm not signing up for wealth and popularity here, you know? I would love it when they... Oh, I tell her. I wonder if it's a she or a he.

Who knows, yet. Join in once, might you think differently now that you hear my heart? Because I'd like to know if you're open to the idea that it might not be what you think. Would you help me? Can you give the benefit of the doubt? Good question. I hope I'm not brainwashing you with that comment. We had a question earlier from a friend who compared this relationship to that of Christ and God.

Thanks for that. Yes, thank you. He told the young women that MTV was closing. Oh my God, wait, I'm going back to that comment. Look at the tears. You're stressed about bearing your testimony, just like a Mormon on Sunday. Good morning, wow. Real? I have no words for it. Nothing else comes from her heart as a woman.

She is touched by the situation she shares with you. I love this. I'm sorry, Del, but I think it shows the true colors of the writer. They reveal themselves through their own words, their own observations, their own cynicism, their own hard hearts. They can look at a 30 year old woman with a baby, a husband who works in the church, does her thing freely, freely believes what she wants and you mock her.

This is what she's doing when she could have taken a job at the University of Michigan's architecture faculty, or she could have being able to get into business at a very wealthy company and make a fortune. But she chose to follow her own path, namely to seek the truth in her life and use it for a higher purpose, and you sit behind your cell phone and write such comments.

I'm having a hard time with it. It's hard not to overload with swear words. It's okay. Yes, people show their true colors if you give them the chance. I'm sorry you have to see the world that way. I'm really sorry. Yes, and there is a reason for that. And we understand your cynicism. We know you have been hurt in some way.

We know you are and we also know that people go through this and sometimes they break down over time, or even break completely, and then come back and regret what they said. We hope this works for you, that you think about your attitude and that you start to feel guilty and that you're trying to prove us wrong instead of just criticizing us.

Yes. I just find it so interesting to think that there are also things that influence your mind. Like? Your parents, your upbringing, your religion or whatever has shaped your brain. Does that mean you were brainwashed by them? Yes, I, anyway, they said. And now your father is bragging that you chose his ministry instead of another life.

Kate, yes, I do. I do it because it shows her heart for God, because it is nothing but suffering from people like you who criticize someone who thinks freely and has lived her life freely without any coercion from her parents about what to believe or how to believe. We discuss, we talk, we share, but everything Delaney says is off the record.

She can believe whatever she wants. It's hard for you to believe that, because the world... Yes, people can't believe that a parent lets their child do what they want. That can... Don't believe them. That could reflect on you again. Is that how you raise your children? Because that's not how it happened here.

And it's been hard. I don't get any answers from my parents. And I do brag. I do brag when people choose the right. I'm not bragging about you. Yes. People also don't understand the difference between public content and a private relationship or family life. There is... a structure in the content we publish where I ask you questions and tell me what you think.

And challenge me. Yeah, it's not like that's the whole relationship. Okay, let's move on. I don't want to read about that anymore. Uhm, okay, an interesting question about the Bible. Jesus is God in Matthew 26 on 24. He said that if he had not been born, it would have been his part, as Jesus.

How does that make sense? I think Jesus is speaking in the Gospel. From the perspective that there is a hell, a punishment after death, because Satan controlled the world, that the Jews who died before his return went to that place, and that the suffering there was enormous depending on their actions and their hearts. So? I think he's saying, it's better that they weren't born than that they had to suffer what awaited them.

But that was later completed and ended. That's my opinion on it. Okay, I was thinking, I'm really sorry, I wasn't looking for any other questions. So I didn't hear you properly, I get that, because we're trying to keep going. Okay.

I don't understand that well, I understand because we are trying to carry on okay and your whoever I can't pronounce you o dc I don't know how to say that he is sweating well you if you want keep asking, but I'll move on to another question. Your, to the young woman, MTV has stopped, what are your favorite music videos from your youth? Your, that's what he asked, me, thank you. What are your favorite music videos? Oh, I think I'm just going to knock you out. Mom told me to knock you out. Go ahead. No, I think I'm going to beat you cold for a moment. Mama told me to hit you cold.

Go ahead. No, I don't have one. I talk about Ul, about my family's influence, but we were never allowed to watch music videos. We had... Ul, I think three things we weren't allowed to do. Okay, watching music videos, especially MTV ones. We were Mormons at that time, but it was mainly because of the power they have.

Ul, and I understand that now, when I watch music videos, it's so powerful because we're very influenced by it. Sensitive people, and ul, it would have overwhelmed me as a kid. I would understand, so we weren't allowed to watch. Would I let you watch our age-rated movies? We watched them all.

Yes the only rules were no music videos or MTV, no tattoos and I was allowed no skydiving. I tried that once and needed a real one. Those were the only rules. Ul there was one more that you forgot and we had it. A general family rule. Love and obey the heavenly father. Be kind to family, friends and enemies. Oh yes. And do your best at school. Those were our three family rules. Those were the positive rules.

These were not things that were not allowed. But what was also not allowed was that they were not allowed to watch adult cartoons. T-Simpsons. That kind of thing, yes, we watched it. That's right. But were they allowed to go to parties? Yes. Are they allowed to skip school if they want? Yes. Are they allowed to wear their own fashion? Are they allowed to listen to music? Yes.

Yes. Yes. We had those things just because I could see how they influence young minds. But I love Big Time's music video. I love that video and I adore it. On. Dot dot dot. I don't know. Sledgehammer. I love that one. And finally, my absolute favorite, Metallica's One. Oh, that's great. Oh, that's really great. I don't have the same artistic sensibilities as he does.

We are... Very related in our aesthetic vision. Hopefully I haven't been brainwashed. Maybe I've been brainwashed because I have the same genetic taste as my father, guys. Okay. Well, we're through those questions go. I'll continue. Okay. EHM. Okay. About the Hebrews, I don't get it, Bible truth is an abstract, objective thing that people apparently can't grasp.

Or is it a person named Jesus, who came from Yeshua? And it goes further, is heaven a place, or is it a person? Some testimonies describe it as everything being alive and singing. Praise said the word, there is an indescribable presence of Jesus in all heaven. So, if Jesus was not eternal, had no being, it calls into question the nature of heaven, the idea of ​​the immaculate conception.

It seems that ordinary people are given a soul at conception. EHM It goes on and on. Do you want me to continue? Anyway. What is the central question? Ehm, maybe you can answer that one. Is truth an abstract, objective thing that people don't seem to understand, or is it a person named Jesus who comes from Yeshua? I think truth with a capital W is God.

Yeshua was the way, the truth and the life. That there is an absolutely objective truth that God knows, possesses, and deals with. We just don't fully understand it. So we walk by faith. That's all I can say. Okay, EHM, interesting comment. I'm sorry, guys. I was really starting to believe that we live in the age of fulfillment, but I'm in the middle of a divorce and a ridiculous restraining order.

I haven't seen my kids in almost three months. No charges, no CPS. Eh? Didn't see my children. In almost three months. No charges, no CPS. Um. Child protection. And the system really seems to be losing my children. What does that have to do with fulfillment? Good question. But I'm also very sorry to hear that.

Yes, that's terrible. Tell us what you mean by... Fulfillment. I think people associate fulfillment with... Peace and love. Oh no! Fulfillment is that God did everything necessary to bring us back into his presence, without religion, without bail, and that we are back in the Garden of Ede, apparently choosing between walking along the tree of knowledge, good and evil, what the spirit of man is, or walking by faith.

That's what we mean by fulfillment. There is no more middleman. E Bobby Ray Johnson E. That absolutely does not mean that this life in this world will ever be easy. The mind is the kingdom. It comes without you having to see it. Yeah, you can't say down here, down there, there it is. It is within us. spirit of that kingdom. Kingdom.

But in this world, this fallen material world, there will always be sadness, because we will never be perfect materially. There will be pain. There will be free will. There will be choices. There will be murders, rapes, divorces and other things that cause a lot of suffering. Fortunately, we have God to whom who we can turn to and rely on for inner comfort.

He said okay, I think so. I love people so much. Quotation mark, yes. You're right. You respond, responds, responds. And they say, thank you. Quotation mark, yes. Uhm, oh honey. Oh honey. Hi, it's okay. Uhm, I think you asked something similar last week. Has the curse of the Tower of Babel been lifted now that language barriers have disappeared? What are the Biblical implications of this? Yeah, that's a really good question, because the futurists and theorists of the future believe that the Tower of Babel has returned

and that the world tries to reach God through its own goodness, a world government, and so on. And that is why Christians often resist the idea of a one world government, while dispensationalists start to resist as a result. But the truth is that the Biblical consequences. Unity, peace, love and understanding should be among everyone, especially among those who follow the king, and that we are salt and light to the world and that we bring unity to all, because Christ has reconciled us all to him.

Personally, I don't see any. Biblical justification for being afraid to gather with people of other languages, cultures and races. Quote, religions and governments. That sounds like something for a world Nazi, but I don't think that's a misinterpretation of the text. Bobby Ray said, haha, I'm not done yet.

He said, thanks, guys. I'm going through a lot. I love my children very much. My woman acts as if a demon has possession of her. Taken, Bobby Ray, love your wife as Christ loved the church. If she has a demon, love her. I don't know where the divorce is based on, but if you can do anything to save the marriage, especially now that you say, my kids, ul, if you have kids, ul, do whatever it takes to try.

I don't judge you if you can't save your marriage unless it is a danger to you, themselves or the children. Apostrophe. I'm sorry, but that's easier said than done. And one more thing, we have something called marriage mentoring that we offer for free. We started it and now charge money for it, but not anymore.

Quotation mark, but I can help you through a Zoom call, a marriage mentoring program. It's a real program where you and your wife sit together and discuss the issues that usually cause trouble in a marriage. And I've seen it work wonders. EHM, I'm definitely trying my best. Thank you, I believe so. No judgement, yes, no, it's so hard.

And I'm really sorry. Don't get discouraged. by. Perhaps that is the crux of the matter. Yes, it is. As if. Christians have made it that way that God does things in this world. So we assume that God also has this terrible thing in their lives has done. And I just don't think that's the case.

No, um, oh, is there a certain age or a specific time when someone should start spreading the word of Christ? Like when a boy becomes a man? That's a good question. I think that Christ can already be preached and sung about by children. I think kids who don't even know him can spread his word because of the age of the spirit. Okay. Uhm, that's the end of that series of comments.

Can I say something more about that? Me, too. This is where it's important. I just have to say it while it's still relevant. The brainwashing of a daughter by her father. Yes, she's heard this many times. Yeah, I'm hoping to get feedback from others who have said this because I'm curious. For me it is a kind of learning period.

I think if that commenter knew a pastor and their child subsequently became a pastor, there wouldn't be a problem. Still, or if there was a problem. It would actually be great. So there is something going on, but if a philosopher were teaching a child, as happened in the past, that wouldn't have been a problem either.

So basically it is the gist of this response, or of all responses like this, is that a problem is not joining institutions. Yeah, that's the only thing that's problematic for them. And teaching outside the consensus on what Christianity is. So it's irresponsible. I would also like to point out that I think the relationship between parent and child is a beautiful one.

Consider, for example, God the father and his son. Oops. Oops. Did he flush as soon as he recovered? Oh my God. I mean, you learn the most from your parents, right? It's not like I never left my parents, right? You have lived on your own for years. It's like... You are only looking for reasons to discourage us and our message.

And you should take a look in the mirror. Why don't you write something doctrinal and let us respond? And will you come back to us with your wisdom? That's not possible. Yes, you must attack my daughter. Yes, I don't want to whine. I just never think about this. So when it comes up, I want to fight it out on the spot.

Point. Okay. Are there any Bibles that study life from a predatory view that Jesus has already returned. if you are new to the faith, is to buy a pilgrim bible. They're expensive, they're old, but they're written for teenagers. And I started that myself. Then I bought what they called the Thompson Chain Bible.

It really teaches you the entire Bible, from genesis to revelation, what is in the Bible. And let the mind open your eyes to what it wants you to do, instead of buying a Bible that directs your thinking in a certain direction, simply because you don't learn yourself. You learn from someone else's perspective, and even from the predators' perspective there are differing views.

Really a lot. So learn for yourself. Your teaching will not save you or kill you. You believe in God and your love for others. Yes, I'm trying to look it up. There are many books that comment on the Bible. Yes, but none are complete. Biblical. Yes, and we teach from a fulfilled perspective, from that perspective.

And the revelation. And the book of revelation are all available for free for you to choose and see what you want to see. But I'm going to convince you anyway, because I'm pretty sure it's true. EHM, both brainwashing. Yeah, I think you're a brainwasher. Uhm, Bobby, I love you guys. Sean, I've loved you since my girlfriend in 2011.

I was considering serving a mission and you really helped open my eyes. Wow, Bobby, how old are you? I saw your comments and... Sorry, but... Yes, that would be R-A-Y. So I always thought Bobby Ray was a woman. That's actually quite funny. E-H-M, okay. Let's move on. I wanted to address the topic that came up when you called.

He's 35. Oh, wow, Bobby Ray, I thought you were an old man. I don't know why. I thought you were older. I don't know, check. That's actually very funny. Nice to meet you. Uhm, Tad heard his answers to our questions. Uhm, okay. We are criticized by friends for labeling the next generation we are trying to introduce as female.

we label the next generation we are trying to introduce as female. Can we talk about that? Let's talk about it. It needs to be clarified, because I'm misunderstood again. So let's talk about it.

Okay, you're trying to explain that religion has always been masculine, that Christ embodied a more feminine approach and that He, generally speaking, cleansed the temple with whips. He was male. He was a carpenter. I'm not saying he was an effeminate little man. No, it was just with mercy instead of Right By law or something. There is also such a thing as daughters and I think you see things happening in the world too, in a secular sense, that the world is moving in that direction.

And that's an opportunity for people to bring Christ into the world so that maybe the world sees it better or something. Is that correct? That is also correct. But I think it's important to emphasize this, something that Delaney would also make clear, because we've already talked about it. I'm not talking about women and feminine and men and masculine.

I'm talking about the traits that are common to both sexes. And how they work together to bring out the positive masculine and feminine qualities in women and men. And that in the era of Christ there is a more feminine slant in the Old Testament. That's all I means. Okay, I got it. Not about women and men, I'm talking about it, but... I understand that.

It seems more in line with what you're teaching, which is that it would be a kind of gender debunking. Namely that it would be a kind of invalidation of gender. While we are all about mercy and love, I don't know if those are typically feminine qualities. Rather, it seems to me to be a good part of both the masculine and feminine.

That's right. A good person is merciful. And he is a manly man. I am not saying that we abolish gender or that we abolish body parts but even to say that the mind is like a baby becomes feminine, I sometimes doubt that because it is as if you become nothing there is no man or woman in christ there is no division between man and woman. We are all orange and you are yellow.

You know, he describes Adam and Eve with yellow and red. God is orange and we are now orange because of that. It's not really useful to talk about masculinity, is it? It's really useful to talk about masculinity, right? I think because the pendulum has been swinging through patriarchy for 2000 years, men rule women, men don't speak in church.

And I think Christ came and brought something that swung the pendulum more toward love. pulls left and right. But I now see that we need a more drastic change. To show people that Christ... Because even from a secular point of view, when looking at the genders, women suffer much more, as Alice Cooper says, only women bleed. That has nothing to do with menstruation, Christ suffered a long agony for us.

He was like a hen, not a rooster. I am like a hen and I carry my chicks under my wings. Yes. Even God is called the breastbearer who feeds. There is a feminine side to God. And that's what I mean, something that we've missed in Calvinism, Mormonism and those other patriarchal movements. Okay. So what I'm getting at is that reality is more on the pendulum here.

That's the truth. But as a kind of worldly tactic, it would help to counter religion at least for a while. And this is what you really need to understand to understand what she is saying. This comes from the mind of the man, I say that. All religion comes from the mind of man, in women or men. of the man into women or men.

We construct what we see because God has given us dominion to know how to do that and I'm just trying to say, from my mind, that I think this small, subtle shift, a little bit beyond that center line on the feminine side, so that men begin to see what Christ really was like, our one a little bit will balance it out so we can be right in the middle, a perfect blend from red and yellow to a perfect orange. Yes, that makes sense. I agree.

Yes, I think so the criticism, you know, across the board, the fact that it's heretical, that I've been brainwashed or that it shouldn't be feminine, whatever, all come forth. Out, I don't know. The criticism of Christianity right now is that I have never met a Christian who has read a book. See, that's just the atmosphere of Christianity.

It can't be that you have a different view of the Bible, because they have never heard a different view. It's that closed. And you know, you're browsing through some random philosophical. Magazine and all possible ideas are mentioned, and that's fine. Yes. All ideas are covered, but Christianity may not be that masculine and it's like it's the end of the world.

And I think the Leni makes something interesting, we are not preaching a new God, we are preaching a Biblical philosophy. Understand that, we're presenting a philosophy of faith and presenting, you know, it's presenting a new economy, something we've already talked about, the economy of the Old Testament was one, the apostolic church of the New Testament had an economy that was two.

We are now in the fulfilled economy. What does that look like? Very different from what you read in the Bible, very different. Okay, all I'm saying, no. Okay, that said, just to be clear, I wasn't going to make a truth claim. I'm going to try to explain what confused me about Sien's recent book. Quotation mark, excellent.

By the way, I'm reading and almost finished Against an Alt assumption. That's about the ten words. I think I might have that. No, he's reading A Better Trinity. Okay. And I appreciate him saying we have something to say. That, thanks, brother. And you know we have to clarify things to get it right. So make a note of that and then we'll talk about it and see what we can do to make that clearer or maybe even find a mistake that I made there.

Yes, okay. Oh. It's ten minutes. Hey, you're on the phone. It's an unknown number. Oh, my name is Benjamin. How are you? Oh, Benjamin. Nice to meet you. Yes, yo. Oh, coming soon. Oh, that was really articulate. You know, this is pushing me to my limits. You coward. Is that you? I wasn't. Right? Guard. Wait, wait, here's another phone call. No, no.

Hello, you are on the line. Oh, it's okay. Yeah, hey. EHM, well, I have a serious questioner, so thanks. So yeah, EHM, when I was in high school. I met a boy. He was a Mormon and within a month I became a Mormon too. And EHM, then EHM, I think I only lasted a year, because EHM, it wasn't, you know, the missionaries, they just said to me, oh, you're a Christian, you know, they're a Christian, the whole typical thing they do.

And, ul, not long after I was baptized, I started hearing things, and I thought, what? And, ul, I started watching the Sterretje Heart or Team Matter Sterretje programs on YouTube. or watch Team Matters asterisk programs on YouTube. And I think the moment I realized that that wasn't the religion for me was when the... period he was an apostle then, but now he's a prophet, Russell Russell Nelson, I believe, came to our speaking center and spoke.

And when I saw people in the audience crying next to him, it really shocked me. Praise God, yes, yes. I thought, wow, that's a bit crazy. So after I quit and... Just, you know, I've never been rejected by God or stopped being religious. I just went my own way. Your, anyway, sorry. I feel like at that time I was probably the closest to God, my faith was the strongest, and I had a very strong relationship with him.

my faith was the strongest and that I had a very strong bond with him. And since leaving the church, I have found it difficult to rebuild that connection or to do so on my own. My question is whether you have experienced this after leaving the church and if so, what you would recommend or what you have done to help with that. It's a good question. What is your first name? My name is Bleek.

Turns out, would you like to answer that first? Delaney, do you want me to do that? I'll just say that I have certainly experienced it and that I am actually still experiencing it. And I think that in a way meaning is the point. We are alone in this life, which is very difficult to face, but you grow much more in God when you do, and it expands your world immensely.

That's all I wanted to say, yeah. And turns out, I agree with Delaney and I would also say that, you know, this is why religions spread, because they know it's hard to do it alone. So they create a collective where learning, lessons and participation are central, things that are socially valuable and that make you feel like you're making progress.

But God has made it plain, brother, that he said, I will put my law in their hearts and in them write thoughts, and no one will know the Lord, for all will know me. The Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost, and he goes where he pleases. So, listen, the idea is that you as an individual go straight to him.

And you know, some need a church, some need things like that. And if people need the Mormon churches, then they can get it. We're just trying to say that religion doesn't give you a relationship. There are millions of people who sit in churches, they experience the community, they experience the connection, they receive Sunday school lessons, they feel nourished, but that does not make them a child of God.

That's between you and him. So I want to close these ten pieces of advice, it turns out, by saying, if you're feeling distant, I would grab the notebook if you have some time. For example, starting in the book of John, take our version of the Gospel of John, because I think the footnotes will help you a lot in that, but take any one version and just read it and go straight to him.

Forget our opinions, or rather, go straight to him and try to see, test him, whether he would come to you personally. He did that to me in 97. He does it today with Delaney. He will do it to you too. Go to him with an open heart full of faith and wait. Okay. Yes, that's great advice and answers. I really appreciate you guys and it's always nice to be able to talk to you.

Thanks, Bleek. You too, brother. Yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Point. Bye. Bye. You know, the darkness before the dawn. I know. It's just the contrast. As a man who fights, I would almost burst into tears right now if I said that to my daughter. And I know I'd get angry if you said that to anyone else next to me.

Yes. But I just think it's funny. She has gained a few insights in the past few days and those attacks are coming her way. I think it is very telling how you dark souls operate. So understand that if you want to say that to her face, I will be here waiting for you. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm going to do it in reverse order now, but let's face it, I don't remember this live forum attracting so many bizarre contributions.

I wonder if it's because your platform is becoming more widely known, which is a bright spot given the absurd situation. I don't know if you watched last week, but this is the second time in a row that it feels like this and... Yes, it's really bizarre. It says the sound is bad. Sorry guys, I don't know what to ask.

I don't know why we... ...working on this with a new system, but we are in quite a chaos because of everything. We'll get it done. Sorry everyone, we're getting... ...it's okay. She'll be fine. Okay. And Bobby Ray, to counter the you, says you're beautiful too. There are people who are and that moves me to tears. It's really sweet.

Yes, that's the challenge. Quotation mark, for me, I think... It is a challenge for all of us. Listen, man. You have the best day possible. You act like everything is going well and then one person gives you a negative compliment. You go home and all you think about is the negative. That's how the darkness works.

So when the darkness comes in like this, that's their goal. And the point is that we are getting stronger. The light will put that out, but it's hard. EHM And that original hater, which Josh Paul says about, hater shows you're on the right track. And we'll get back to your question above in a moment. you are on the right track. And we'll get back to your question above in a moment.

Um, they said, and in drawing the analogy between God the Father and Christ the Son, he literally equates himself with God. And? It just shows where you stand. Really, that's crazy. Did you hear me talk? I am the biggest idiot, loser, sinner, Lord God. Don't ever trust me, man. Oh my God. Can you? Yes. I'm sure you look at the life of Christ and try to do what Christ did and focus yourself on Christ.

It's just so crazy. It's just so crazy, okay, um, um, when I'm scamming Mormons and they're like, well, you just need to talk to our church. Quotation mark It seems that they overlook the church and therefore become absorbed in the culture. Amen They really get caught up in it. Quotation mark, that's a comment from Joshua. Is that Josh Paul? Josh Paul.

Um, because um, did you know that here in Salt Lake City they put a copper or bronze statue of Christ in the middle of the temple square and that all the stained glass they put in the new temple are pictures of Christ? lead that they place in the new temple are images of Christ. You know, they come in with the name of Christ, so hard to try to influence through the culture, but their teaching is devilish.

Yes, EHM, we get a call from an unknown number. I'm not going to answer, we gave strangers the benefit of the doubt and you ruined it for everyone because now they're not allowed to answer strangers anymore. These two figs for paradise. 1 John 5 verse 1, written in 95 by the lost apostles. Anyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ, born of God, has died. Since then, written in 95.

Would I question the time of 95 to Christ? Stamp of 51. I know there is more evidence for it being written than for revelation, but we'll have to talk about that when I or we are ready to answer that question, because I'm not sure that dating is exactly right. But I like the point. Yes. Suppose it was written later and it speaks in 51.

Is that a problem? Well. The problem is that the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem was, according to secular writers and scripture, the signal that Christ had returned. Yes. Yes. And John 5 verse 1 still talks about it. But could someone have written it later as a record of the way things were spoken until 70 AD? No, tell me.

You know, Paul went around with the other apostles and told people it was coming. It was coming, yes. And I would write in that tense. From now on, I could write about that. Paul did this and he said this and he said, keep it up, like I'm just writing. It is in the present tense.

The question is, do you think John does that? Don't know. I just think there might be a possibility that it was written in some form. Uhm, and then her. EHM and then her. Our friend about the MTV question, who talked about the relationship between Jesus and the Father. Which teachers do you both listen to? I just want to answer these questions before we close.

EHM, what and what do you and Sean disagree on, both about spirituality and about life in general? And then he said, can you ask Sean to pray for that, you, guy. And I think that's a good idea, actually a very good idea. That, we should do. So, and let me talk to God in the terms I will use for him. Father, someone just called enest, your revelation, that you will pour out on them, him, her, whoever writes these other offensive things, that you will put a protective wall around the hearts of Delenie and myself, and other people who heard this, but also that you will enlighten them and give them insight so that they will understand the truth.

We don't need any excuses from them. Ul, we hope that their hearts will be softened by you. So, thank you, Ul, whoever wrote this and suggested we pray for them. Ul, thank you for that. Yes. May I also add, Ul, for anyone who has suggested seeing me in a certain light, that maybe they can understand my heart and Sien's heart a little better, and give people who try the benefit of the doubt.

Il. Amen. One more question. Another unknown call. We're not going to record, I'm sorry. Call from a real number. Yes, a call from a real number. Il. Josh Paul says, thank you for doing this. Quotation mark, thank you. And then, returning to that previous point, here's the question. Are the letters in the Bible not in the correct order of when they were written? And if so, why should that matter? How do you learn the New Testament? Well, in a sense they are written in the order in which they were thought to have been written, but even more specifically they are written in the order of their length.

That's why you find those short letters at the very end of Jude and John and even Peter and the longer letters like Romans and Hebrews at the beginning. Although they are arranged by length, they were written at different times. There are theories that you can find in studies and scientific research, which attempt to place the books in the order in which they are thought to have been written.

That can help you see how the apostles talked about things. And that the apostles talked about things. But that said, there is some truth in the fact that Peter and John were written much closer to the end of that age than Romans, Ephesians, or Galatians. Okay, period, EHM, let's answer the last questions from the texts.

Okay, finally this person gets to the point. He posts a lot, I'll show it in the stream. How much, oh, you can't see. How many comments from this man in the past few times? And then he says, you are false Christians who have succeeded Christ abandoned.

We appreciate you finally getting to the point instead of going into paragraphs post different languages in our stream. Quotation mark, yes, um. Thank you. And Ul, we will accept your criticism with love. We believe you are right have to express it. We believe you mean that with all your heart. And we will let you and answer you lovingly. We think we are doing our best and preaching what we believe to be true and trustworthy.

I just want to say that writing that you are false Christians is superficial. It's weak. Why don't you write, okay, Sean, Delaney, whoever, you're teaching this. What do you think about this? What do you think? Why don't we do that? Apostrophe quotation mark. Instead of writing, you guys are fake Christians, or fuck off bitch.

Come on, when are we going to grow up? If we are truly religious, when do we enter into dialogue with each other and try to learn and grow from each other instead of just invalidating, attacking and criticizing each other? Question mark. That's never going to happen as long as they talk about it. The successors of Christ have rather than Christ himself.

We will never agree with each other. EHM Let's answer those last questions. Which teachers are you listening to these days? And what do you and Sean disagree or disagree on? Wrapping it up, yes. I don't listen to any teacher. Never did. I listened to Chuck Smith from 2004 to 2006 when I needed to learn the Bible from his perspective.

He's the only teacher I've ever listened to. When I turn on the radio with preachers, I have to turn it off almost immediately, because they always say something which is culturally determined rather than biblically based. But I do watch a lot of documentaries and videos by philosophers. I pay much more attention to philosophers and systems of thought than to critics or preachers of scripture.

I pay more attention to philosophers and systems of thought than to critics or preachers of Scripture. I'm reading more philosophers at the moment, which this guy labels as heresy or whatever as a false Christian, I think. And I don't think they're right. I'm just trying to put the Bible in context. And I read the Bible myself.

Teachers, what do we disagree on? I'm not always sure... some things Sean takes so literally. And? What do you think? I totally get where he's coming from and I don't think it's harmful to think about it that way, but it helps me sometimes... to let go of the literalness of something. To let go of the literalness of something Even something like Christ is literally in me as a person, the spirit of Christ that was in him is also in me I don't know, I sometimes wonder about things like that, but I don't think that changes the gist of the matter.

Don't know. Maybe... Okay. EHM, I don't really disagree with anyone. In the sense that it becomes a problem. My way of thinking is so different that... Yes, that's because I believe we are all at different points. So if my child or a stranger says I believe Jesus was a woman or something, I have to allow them to believe that without disagreeing and making an issue out of it.

I might think, well, I don't agree with that because we're at different points and have different levels of maturity and understanding. So I rarely disagree on the aesthetics of anything, but even that is rare between Delaney and I, because we have a similar aesthetic in life, art, film, music, food, you know, all those things that we as a family click with.

So, yes. And okay, actually there is one thing. Yes, that's it. It's not a disagreement, but I've been having a hard time with EHM lately, like he wants to argue with someone. Well, not really debating, but you know, you want to talk about reason, Christy. That's not how I work at all, so I think some people would call that a disagreement.

Not me. Once again it is a matter of differences between father and daughter. I wouldn't be with anyone either debate, but I don't think that's the only reason. I don't think he's doing it wrong. Everyone has to do things their own way. That is the beauty of the Yeshuan approach. Everyone comes with different talents, different levels of maturity, different perspectives and everyone must be given the space to embrace them. So I think the question is a bit misplaced. And besides, we're running out of time.

I try to answer everyone at the end. I just want to say something about this man. This must have been the caller that one day because he's talking about the Crusades and yes. EHM. Yes, learn history for example. Christ chose Peter. We have a chain of hope. Okay. To say someone doesn't know history because they aren't with the damn Catholic Church.

I don't know what to say to that. Do you have anything to say about that? EHM, you can argue that you directly have a paused accession to the throne. You can have a connection, you can claim anything you want. I just look at the results of Catholicism in the world. I look at their doctrine. I look at their indulgences from Catholicism in the world.

I look at their doctrine. I look at their indulgences that caused Luther to leave. I look at what they have approved and promoted in the world. I look at the wealth they have amassed about the backs of poor people and I can say that I don't give a damn what you apostolic follow-up. It means nothing in light of what they did with it.

Okay, yes, and just search for Islamic conquest. He also said earlier, I believe you would submit to those who want to destroy our faith. And I would submit to someone who wants to destroy Catholicism. I wouldn't be in church. I don't even care if it exists. That's exactly the point.

The church you consider to be faith is not faith in my opinion. Is that your opinion, that... Mine too, but the people in it do have faith. I can't say that, that is between them and God. Yes, and we would never allow anything that would destroy that. That's exactly what we want in people. What do you think? what we are doing here? Todd asked Jean, do you know why Preston don Preston believes that the church still exists, assuming I'm right? You're right, Todd.

And you know, I wish Grady was still here. He can explain that mindset of a full-blooded predator who still goes to church I can't do it, I don't know why he does that I remember walking around Salt Lake City with him and his wife And they were dressed in their Sunday clothes And they truly believe that this physical existence must continue in the world.

Yeah, Grady talked about that once. I know and I can't remember. I'll find out, that, and come back to it next time. We talked about it once during a previous phone conversation and it seemed to me valuable, but now I have forgotten it. But I'll tell you. They project their own problems as if you are the sacrificial land.

A Leper Messiah. I wonder where I can buy books soon. You can go to Yesuwan, Veet. Yesu, Veet, the website and all the books are there. EHM, you can register for many books via the app. So he says, are there ways I can get more involved with your group at church? EHM, yes, believe, sign up to send PDFs of the book.

And one way I would encourage you to get involved is by considering joining the leadership. Yes. And take a look at that on the site. We're running out of time. Yes, email me. I put my email address on. Syro Dilly Crusader. He just keeps going. Listen, brother, you have the right to continue to do that. We do not side with Islamic attacks on Catholics worldwide.

You're misinterpreting everything, brother. We do not side with Islamic attacks on Catholics worldwide. You're misinterpreting everything, brother. The Catholic Church is truly the Church of Christ. Mormons tell us that. Calvinists tell us that. Listen, Christ is the church. Christ is not the Catholic, brother.

Christ does not represent popes, bishops or priests that little one raping boys and girls. So grow up, wake up, if you want to follow, if you have it accepts, we will love you. And that's between you and God, but don't come up with a system defense that is clearly corrupt. Okay, last question. D

o you think that God... So you don't believe that God is in control, right? Because it's always bothered me when people say that. But I mean, God killed Charlie. Let it happen at God's pace. Yeah, personally I don't think I can disagree with this, Delaney. Because it's a bit strange. If God were to control everything, it would take away free will and the mutual relationship between his created people and himself, the free will he has given us.

It's a difficult conversation that requires hours of discussion. I don't think we can cover that here. No. Ehm, but that was suggested to prevent people from saying that God did this and that. We question that, because um, because it's really intense to say that one baby was saved and the other died. You know? Very difficult.

EHM. I do want to say that God can use everything that happens in this world to his advantage. Yes, but... I would like to highlight one comment here from one of our critics, perhaps God has forgiveness. And let's hope that God has forgiveness. Unknown has given. I think it's this guy, I think it's you calling us, so we don't answer.

I think it's this guy. I think it's you calling us. So we won't answer anymore unless you leave a real number. Then we will admit you next week. EHM, yes, we love you all. Thank you. We love you. Thank you for your support and prayers.