Shawn the Baptist

Shawn the Baptist | Heart of the Matter EPIPHANY

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This is Heart of the Matter Epiphany. Yippee-ki-yay Delaney! I am Delaney. This is Sean. I am Sean. We are dad and daughter. We represent a family ministry. Yeah. And most of you know, we're sorry, but we're former LDS. Almost 30 years ago, I had a roadside experience that introduced me to the

living God within and from that moment I embarked on researching and writing and presenting content that explored and explained Mormonism and Christianity the Bible and material religion and the family joined in one by one I came in a few years ago to what we now call yes Yeshuans and I've been building on the ideas trying to orchestrate, organize, make them accessible, be able to build on it myself in the future but it all sort of was the result of something my dad believed God said to him when you were

riding your bike a long time ago and I've heard this story and we want to share with you it may have been God it may have been the spirit of man because there isn't this difference so but bottom line what it was I was riding my bike down to the Huntington Beach Pier was late at night and it was there's a whole story behind I've told it several times but bottom line I was wondering because we just started off on doing a television show we had no money we had nothing to be able to do it how are we going to do it and i rode and rode and rode and i watched the city develop better and better

and better as it got toward the pier and by the time i got to the pier there was a whole night life going on there and buildings and people and the thought came to me, which I thought was God was, um, what did you do? And, uh, I said, I pedaled, I rode and he said, you ride, I'll build.

And so the idea was never on me to build up anything because that's never been, you know, something I'm good at. I'm good at what I do. And so that's the way we've embarked on that whole thing. Yeah, you did what you thought God told you to do. You rode. I just rode. That was it. And the result was thousands of hours of recorded material that people along the way who've been here to try to help Wendy and Seth and Michael and I mean Micah Bailey different people have all tried to like what do we do with it and we didn't know what to do with it and then you add into that articles and you add into that

you know we're over 50 books and two- teachings. And so who does God send who was studying to be an architect? We didn't know the direction she was going to go. Mallory and Cassidy and mom have all been in the ministry and stuff. But who does God send? This one. And I literally. believe this this is how it works and this one came and she says I want to get involved and I'm like this is great let's do it I have no idea what you're gonna do and so what you inherited was a massive basket of content that was just

overwhelming we tried different iterations and you've tried and tried different iterate and it's been really overwhelming, hasn't it? Yeah, really overwhelming. I don't have much to add on to that. Anything that you've seen in the past, maybe four or five years, in terms of stumbling along and changing and things, that's all me.

That's not him. That's me. We have agreed on things and tried because this is how we work. We walk by faith. We don't know what to do. And that's kind of part of the story is we have to go and do ride and then figure out what God is going to bring to us to help us. I've had to sort of embrace that ethic, even though it's the opposite of, I think, my role here.

I do have to ride, but there's the other side where I'm like trying to retrofit and organize, not build. God's going to build, but you get what I'm saying? Well, I think you may be the reason that we're building now is that he's saying okay now i've brought a builder in i mean it's just funny you studied architecture now i've brought in a builder yeah and so maybe if you took the right on the pier he would say now you build i don't know but i'm not in control of how it gets out well i agree with that we can't do anything about that yeah but yeah i i do see

this organizational effort the past few years is um a sort of architecture we call it that and it's been a combination a slow build for anyone who's been watching because i'm at once um keeping up with what you're actively doing now. So the recordings each week, teachings each week, retroactively organizing, editing, whatever, and then also trying to learn, trying to learn the perspective.

And through I Don't Get the Bible, through talking to you. So it's been clumsy because I haven't fully understood the perspective. And I think we're at a point where we've both coalesced. I understand. And like our efforts are really aligned, whether we're talking about it or not. And so we want to maybe share with you.

And also you have had to learn sound you've had to learn cameras anyone listening knows i haven't learned you've had to learn uh all how to present because you're not a presenter by nature you're a thinker i'm a presenter by nature and so you've had to do all of this to come up to speed in partnership with me to represent the family's ministry as yeshwans and you've seen different partners come and go you we've seen people come and join and then we've seen and you've experienced so much and what has it been how many how long three years it was 2020

2021 that i started yeah so it's been almost six. That is amazing. And our message to you is if you want to really try to do ministry in the way that we think it's be done, you go out and you act and you see what God does with it. Well, we're here. I think we're at a point where the acting that you've done your whole life and then the acting that I've done for a little bit are starting to come to a head they are they're gelling together in the most wrapped miraculous way because in the process of all this writing and trusting and waiting

the one who told me to ride and that he would build did two things first in the world this we don't think he did it for us but in the world he allowed something to come forward that is a love-hate relationship right now what is it delaney my husband is that what you're talking about oh is that what you're talking about oh i thought hey two different things happened at the okay boy that was a crash waiting to happen we were bringing up my husband and ai at the same time you know what was funny is that when they built the automobile there were two two in the nation both in ohio

and they crashed into each other at an intersection that's how that felt right now What just happened? I'm talking to my husband. You got to tell us about your husband. Tell us what happened with you and Larry. Well, okay. AI and Larry, it's the same thing. Two things have happened in the lives of the McCraneys that have allowed for what we're going to present to you and for us to be able to get this ministry out there and get your work and the eshwin perspective more understood and that's larry learning about you by reading your book on his mormon mission and

moving to utah and me meeting him and i him being naturally interested in tech me being naturally interested in tech for the opposite reasons being a critic of it and ai being developed as i'm learning this ministry and observing tech and my architectural practices and being very critical of it but it being we us being blessed with the most utopian um way to use ai which is to be able to search the life's work of a person who just rode and did that work without planning on how it was going to get out there because your husband told me that it would take a team of, you know, a dozen skilled people,

five to 10 years, full time and hundreds of thousands of dollars in the past. Decades. Decades to gather this stuff and then cross-reference it and give answers. It's just unbelievable how God works. It's unbelievable. Yeah. And in a matter of weeks, even I've been able to do more than I've been able to do in the past six years of working.

So we've been blessed and we've hoped to bless others by using these tools freely so you can get better access to our content. So give us an example. Give us a visual example of what Delaney, she learned the tools from her husband who put himself through the U of U and learned these things himself and then makes a living doing this.

Not just in AI, but he does it with all kinds of mind. He's very smart in this area. Like he can't, it's a genius that joined us in this area in this specific way. And then they get married. This is less than a year ago. And, and then they have a child less than a year ago. And here we are. And in the course of all this, Delaney took the tools that Larry gave her and did this before we even show it.

The genius of this for our ministry is what? For our ministry. Discovery, getting into the content in the very unique way that one needs to get into your content instead of having to watch hundreds of hours of you to understand you uh you know you teach things across years and decades this allows someone to get answers to summarize you and then find that content yeah um that that you've done to support the answers. Yeah.

And the simple, what she just said that, because you could take a soundbite of me in any given week and I'm going to sound heretical. Or contradictory or, you know, it's in this. Yeah. And, and so, but it's not contradictory. That's the thing. It's just that someone up until now, the people that know you follow you follow the teachings have spent the time to get to know you and understand the context when you say this time or that time or what you know yeah so and so for those people the critics outside of us will say that they are part of the cult because they brainwash

yeah we are talking about really individualistic people, you guys. These people do not follow me. They call me out. They show up when they want. They disappear. There is no allegiance to me. They follow God. But they've done the homework. Yeah. We all follow God next to one another. And we disagree. Yeah. So. Share it, baby. You can go to yeshuans.

faith you can read about us i'm sure we've shown you different iterations of this many times but you've never seen at the bottom where it says ask us anything let's just say what does sean mccraney Let's just say, what does Sean McCraney teach? And we're doing this in real time with our streaming internet, so it'll go slow.

Sean McCraney teaches, you can read that, you can find you can sort episodes teachings uh chapters on different things that sean mccraney has taught you can read the summary you can read find the sources from where those answers are coming from that one's an easy one though let's give it a harder one i'd like to hear what it says though oh why not you read it sean mccraney i'm gonna move your hair because your hair is in your microphone go ahead sean mccraney teaches that believers should develop personal direct relationships with god through the holy spirit rather than relying on institutional

religious authority a perspective rooted in fulfilled eschatology and what he calls quote-unquote subjective christian. His core conviction articulated across multiple teachings in the article Redefining McCraneyism is that Christ's victory grants direct divine access to all believers without mediation.

McCraney challenges creedal orthodoxy like the Trinity Doctrine as human additions to scripture, emphasizes contextual biblical study over institutional tradition, distinguishes between preaching for non-believers and teaching for mature believers in the episode To Preach or Teach. His motivation explained in the article What Drives Me is emancipating people from religious bondage by helping them understand scripture in its original context, rather than applying ancient letters as binding modern law.

Crucially, McCraney's teaching is not about creating a new ism or demanding followers, as clarified in the foundational article and arc studied, but about encouraging each individual to forge their own spirit-informed path while grounding everything biblically, prioritizing a copy of love, remaining open to revision. That's one answer.

That sounds so smart! McCraney! It's true though, if you asked either of us to write what does sean mccraney teach we would have to write like seven pages but then this and this and this you know and it that's really a great summary the work for us so should we try try a different one what maybe more specific um um let's ask the a really common one okay why does the spirit does sorry living by the spirit not lead to chaos in the world whoa so specific wow let's get really specific here to test it because that is such a criticism of you people People think it's going to, based on Sean's teachings, living by the spirit doesn't lead

to chaos because the spirit of Christ fundamentally transforms believers toward agape love, the singular fruit that produces joy, peace, patience, kindness, and meekness. Rather than creating lawlessness, Christ's spirit writes God's laws directly on hearts and minds of those who seek him, creating internal moral transformation rather than external control.

That is superb. There's more to it. But yeah, you can get nuanced with it. What is fulfilled eschatology? Oh boy, that's a big one. How many references does that cite from on that? Oh, well, it cites from 31. Oh that i've seen one that cites 12 1250 yeah like it depends on how wide the question is and it could this is um you know there are there's that's the thing about this is you have produced like 4,000 at least massive documents it's not just 4,000 like short videos or 4,000 podcast episodes it's 4,000 like documents of

study referenced large teachings referenced written available in the app that this will lead you to sign up for and it's all free but um yeah the references so it gives you the summary it gives you links directly down below to what it's citing just in this summary and then it gives you endless not endless i guess there's a end but so many references down below that you can click into and it will open into the app amazing and you can read or watch or there's lots of different types of content that you've done

that people have never even scraped the surface of can i ask it a question yeah ask, what does Sean teach about homosexuality? Ooh, I want to see if it got it right. Let's see. Yeah, I mean, your face is getting cut off. I'm not sure if you care about that. We don't want my face cut off. Sean teaches that while the Bible contains passages prohibiting homosexuality, The application of those teachings must be understood through fulfilled eschatology and subjective faith rather than institutional judgment from the episodes besides them.

Central to his perspective is that God's love is unconditional and extends to all people regardless of sexual orientation. Sin and the sinner are distinguished and a personal person's sexual orientation does not determine their salvation status or relationship with god there's more to it but yeah very good so is there any question that i mean you can ask it anything and if we've covered it it will bring it up it will i'll just note that we're it needs refining we'll always be working on it because I'm sure it will be like,

if you ask it, what is Deuteronomy blah, blah, blah saying, it might not be advanced enough to pull these things up, but it will be eventually. We're working on it. And you may not know this. I don't know this, but how does it get advanced? Does it evolve on itself? No, we're not using that kind of AI. What kind of AI are we using? We just very constrainedly prompt it to pull your content and find questions.

Yes. The thing that it has to do, we're giving away all our secrets here don't give it this is secret well you're asking me to tell but i didn't mean to all that because i don't want to but the the thing that we need to work on is how we give it your content okay like how well it can because you are a wild man and the way you write, it's consistent in a lot of ways.

You've talked about that before, but in, in formatting and things it's not. So to get it all consistent takes a lot of work and then it can understand it better. Even the way I punctuate is inconsistent. Yeah. So, and that's about it. Bother everybody who's concerned about us building as we go when we have just been, we're not building as we go. Listen, you don't have to email us with a question again.

You don't have to, nobody has to do anything. Again, they can get all their clarifications, all the data, because what we have said, yes, it's changed over time. In fact, I looked up something on that and it said, Sean has changed in this. He used to say, and that is just beautiful. Let's see.

What has Sean changed in? Yeah. What has Sean changed? This is one thing that I wasn't sure if it would get the nuance of time. It seemed to in one thing I looked up because it called me almost a hypocrite. It was awesome. That's really funny. I can identify one significant area, his approach to parenting and the role of grace versus control.

That is true. That's interesting. Yeah. Wow. Look at that. Where does it pull from on that? Your interviews with your dad and with Mallory. Fascinating! Yeah, it changes opinions. I'm almost crying here. Yeah, it's really, really amazing. Theologically. That would matter. I wonder if it will get that you changed on the Trinity.

I wonder if it will get that you changed on the Trinity. Hell and eschatology, your approach to authority and tone, expressing regret for past anger, expansive view of truth sources. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah. And so listen, this is not about me. I know you think it's egotistical and I've been driven by my ego, but I'm not. I am in the service of our God. That's my call.

We just recommend anybody question, go to this. It's going to revolutionize our work and help him bring forth our findings in reality. Don't listen to people who say, oh, he's just, you know what he says? He's just a heretic. Ask them how and go in and ask what I really teach about something. And you'll see that I love God.

I love the Lord. I follow the spirit. People who know me have tried. And this is a really great resource. So good job. And to Larry, the other side of this. Thank you, Larry, for helping me with this. this he is a great great guy like Delaney so it's all based on Jebus Jebus Delaney I'm prompting her with this I told her I'm gonna say Jebus and and and for her to tell us dad why Jebus why do you say that? It's not his name, is it? So it doesn't matter.

If you want to call him Jesus, then I can call him Jebus. You call him Jesus, I can call him Jebus, because you don't care about the truth, so neither do I. about this okay um this way that you are that people do not understand uh because it's going to become important and you think it's time i think it's time by the way this was pre-written we we had to pre-write this in a in a framework so that we could follow through and give you this stuff to help it make some sense yeah all right and so delene doesn't like to work this way but sometimes i have to no so uh let's take the next leap of faith and and for those of you who

have followed us in the past you don't know about this and those of you who are critics this one's gonna be like the the the next criticism so people don't really know you like personally and that's evidenced by the criticisms being very far off from people's experience with you in the long term. They know what they see and have known this over the years but they don't fully understand who God made you to be out the gate.

Out the gate. It seems like. And if you've watched enough, you know this, but really, you know, from a child, I have always done and just lived with what I've done. But when I look back over my shoulder, I see it was purposeful. And that's not how you really go after something like establishing a ministry.

You have an agenda, mission statement. That's not how we've done it because that's not how I am. And so it seems kind of like we are retroactively going back and creating as we go. But the fact of the matter is we are just going and as things unfold I pursue them and that's happened with almost everything we've done in the ministry but your identity has been buried in there and it comes up and you can see glimpses of it yeah but it's just come to the surface like a splinter that's been down in your skin all this time. It's come to the surface just in like maximum the last year. Yeah. And I really

believe in each of us giving birth to things from our own person and experience that take time in gestation and development and being fed the right nutrients before it can come and live on its own yeah and in within me I kind of live to figure those things out and that splinter has come to the surface now and it's the next thing we want to share um what do you attribute this to uh in your life Like the way that this is coming about? The way this is coming up? And so this is that I don't think I'm special at all. I'm not a prophet

and we say this because you have to because people then look at me and they say what, but I'm none of that. But what I see is God, I've been used by God as broken. I have not used by God as special. I am a broken vessel that I am broken, but I am absolutely, after going through life, not willing to sell out.

I'm not willing to pretend to be something I'm not to anybody anymore ever on anything almost. And I am willing to change my views. I'm willing to look like an idiot in front of people for the cause of Christ, because we are idiots we do stumble forward we make mistakes and i am certainly not a sinless man i am a man of carnality in the flesh and so but that's going to play into what we're going to bring forward now yeah the to interject quickly the um religion hasn't liked this about you because they want teachers to be strong in what they're doing

and unchanging and the whole yes you in and you're why they don't like you is because they're they're telling the audience he's gonna lead you in these winding ways and the point is that they shouldn't be listening to you. You're like doing a public example of your winding spirit. And we're hoping other people do that.

You're growing. And that's what authenticity, you're being authentic to people. Because these teachers who put up the front that they're not changing, that's false. They're changing. If they're not, they're not worth following. Yeah. So this comes, it seems like from your punk days definitely from the punk days and and you know let me see a lot from my childhood so um since a kid i learned to overcome early alienation and rejection because I was so different from out the gate. And so I had to learn, and this is covered

in that interview with Matt Bywater and others, that I had a lot of issues because I was so different that I would be rejected. And I had to learn how to accommodate that rejection and alienation in order to be. And so I became charming and I became a salesman and all these things that are so reprehensible to my soul.

But over time, I learned that that is not how to be. And so so like even on my Mormon mission, the punk era and the authenticity was there. I the sister missionaries in our district secretly were holding a fundraising to get me a new suit because I came out on my mission with a suit I got at DI that was probably sewn together in the 50s.

And it was really cool, but it was very, very different. And they thought it was from poverty. And so they were getting a secret fund together. And another sister missionary who knew more about me came and said, you guys, he doesn't come from poverty. He's doing that on purpose. And then they probably spent the money on themselves.

But that was a thing where they don't understand that that's just me. Yeah. You've always been like that. There have been many instances where we're at a nice mall or something in Southern California and someone comes up to him and tries to escort him out because they think he's homeless.

Or, you know, you had Kathy Maggie made you this shirt and you call it your peasant shirt and intentionally you know like you want the plane and you want um because there because and it's not for the aesthetic of humility it's for real humility yeah like you've actually been offered change many times in my youth thinking with people thinking you're homeless right like it's very real it's real it's from my heart and soul and uh so and i got these shirts years ago so this we're telling you this because we're showing you this is not something new that's coming forward

today yeah a lot of you it seems like a lot of stuff from your childhood lent to this religion, culture, punk ethic. Yeah. And then your real born-again experience in 97. In the end, looking back, do you see yourself along the lines of a wandering ass or donkey? Because you did kind of cite this in the Inquisition.

Yeah. And you wrote your biography and called it donkey, the making of an ass. Yeah. Um, and what does it say in Job? So it comes from Job and at the inquisition, when we filled this room with people and I was talking about the Trinity and saying, I just don't buy it.

I quoted, uh, Job and Job, God is speaking to Job about his wisdom because Job was questioning God and God, he takes him to task. And he says to Job, who has sent forth the wild ass free. Now, I, when I read that the first time, I almost cried at that because I feel like he set me forth as the wild ass free he made me right and he says yay the bands of the wild ass who opened the bands meaning who allowed the wild ass to break his shackles and run free since whose house I have made the wilderness i go to the wilderness when i'm despondent by the way and his dwellings the barren land he does laugh at the multitude of a city

you should read the bible you should have a Sean reads the Bible audio book. It's so funny. He laughs at the multitude of a city. And it says the cries of an exactor. That means the person with the whip. He heareth not. Go right. Go right. You dumbass. And he says the range of the mountains is his pasture and after every green thing he seeks living thing that's me that and i cited that at the inquisition and someone said what about christ i'm like what do you want from me man yeah so bad Yeah. So bad. Those who have never been growing up can attest to this acidness for sure.

But when you came to know God directly in 97, you didn't restrain yourself. You didn't restrain yourself from that acidness. No, in fact, it became more, not less. Yeah, more belligerent. Yeah. Very belligerent. Yeah. But the way it was directed, God was able to use it. I hope so. It was belligerence against authority.

It was religious authority, not against government. I try to follow the laws, not always. But but you know, religious authority, men who put people in bondage, people who act like intermediaries between God and man. When he introduced himself to me in 97, he essentially said, I have broken your wild ass band bands that held you bond, held you bound, Sean go, right? Sean go right yeah you um instead of seeing yourself as a prophet or something special right you believe that God taking the spirit of man in

you as a willing wild ass has and will use you to bring out things that are not really original sorry I gotta read my notes but are overlooked or buried things that need to be reconsidered yeah I think so I'm filled with the spirit of man that's what really guides me in such a way that um uh I'm sold out to being a representative of the spirit of Christ.

So it's the spirit of man in me that allows the spirit of Christ to shine forth in a way that does not hedge. I don't, and I'm just going to be real. I don't fucking care. I don't fucking care what anybody thinks. Neither does an ass. Yeah. I care what God thinks. Now I would never say that to him. No, he's got my, I bow to him. That's he's everything.

But to the rest of you mofos and religious power, screw you. Yeah. Yeah. Not going to get it from me. Right. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. That dichotomy is very hard to understand it's hard i've had a hard time with it i'm not naturally like that with someone that's not naturally like that it's very hard at first glance to be like how does this add up how do you claim love for people and then fuck you and you know like how does so, how hard has that been on you? Because you are a very respectful, Delaney could go into the presence of the queen

and be accepted. She's regal, she's like her mama. She does not have this way about her. She does in her soul. But in her presentation, she is a, and all her and and Mallory's a little less Cassie's like you too you guys are afraid of what dad is doing in fact if I've heard dad one time in my life I've heard it 10,000 times dad I'm emotional about it because we all yeah we're not like that but we we see the reality of um where it's coming from and what's in you and it's so beautiful like all we have to do is be like you know

we want to defend you and there's been many times that's really hard on you we get up and we we are asses trying to defend you and it's wrong because the reality is just like this is my dad that's how he's made and you are not doing harm you could be doing harm with this it could be a harmful ass.

And it's like God, it's such a unique and cool experience to watch God use all of the good parts of your acidness and work on all the bad parts. But he allows you to maintain the good parts. And that's being used to take religion down and used to give an example to people of what pursuing God actually is and they don't have to do it the way you do it no but and most won't you know but it is breaking something open and it's just it's cool oh thanks Del your tears almost bring me to the same and so you, you know, I see bad religion, uh, and, and all that stuff. Christ

loved individuals and that's the thing. And this is what, you know, cause you're my daughter and we live together and we hang out together is that individuals, I can love any kind of individual, but it's when they will propagate something wrong, bad, evil, not of God that I'll just say, Yeah. someone's ideology is their identity the more offended they are that's right because that's you that's personal to them rather than them being able to separate that's right criticizing their ideology you could take jeff durbin james white uh what's the other guy who wrote mccraneyism

i don't even know i choose to forget these names jason wallace you could take any of them i would give them my last dollar. I'd take them to drive to church to teach their false doctrine. I would go to the hospital to help them. And I would never, ever as an individual hurt them. But I will straight up tell them to F off on their lies.

And they don't get that that's from a place of authenticity it's like I like I love homeless people I would never be homeless because they're homeless typically because of weakness yes drug abuse and mental illness they're not homeless because they're being noble so I get their homelessness that's no problem but when they if I'm not going to become one because they have a weakness there yes and that's really hard for people to get who know me because we're not sitting there in an equal kind of exchange here. I'm loving them for who they are as far as Christ lets me be patient

with them. But if they ask me an opinion about things that they're about and do, it'll be like, you're an idiot. And that does not make you liked yeah yeah it's the at the core of the yeshuan perspective is this separation so you have utter disdain for inauthentic living but love for those who embrace it yeah and a real good example of that in the scripture is yeshua telling peter peter i'm going gonna give you the keys of the kingdom and then within the same breath almost he says get behind me Satan. I really want you to

do a Bible commentary. The comedy. The comedy Bible. Yeah. Because it's true you bring out these these ways where you see this separation going on in the Bible that no one picks up on. Yeah. The Syrophoenician woman, she asked him, the bread is not for the dogs. And she says, just give me the crumbs. And he's like, I have not seen such great faith in all of Israel.

People don't allow you to play both sides anymore and so they categorize you as heretical insane this this this and they just don't let this flow yeah all right um do you see all people through this lens yeah everyone yeah i see everybody through that lens. Everybody on earth. I see you. I see mom. I see myself.

And that allows us to grow and see the need for improvement and to speak honestly about improvement while not playing some kind of game of religion and whatever else. Hence your use of the F-bomb at times. Yeah. Yeah. The F-bomb is a spirit of man. And here's the thing. You know, I hate to keep explaining it, but you freaking hypocrites know if you hit your hand with a hammer hard enough, you're going to drop the F-bomb no matter how much you love Jeebus.

Okay? You go to a sporting event, you'll allow LeBron, your hero, to slam dunk and yell at the other team, F you. You'll watch movies that use the F-bomb. You'll do everything. But if you use it on Sunday or in church, you're just not gods. Fuck you. But the dichotomy, the other side is your love and acceptance of all people, The other side is your love and acceptance of all people, which is seen if you just go to any fast food restaurant with you and the way you treat these people.

It's beautiful, you know? Well, the one in my world has nothing to do with the other. To tell someone the truth has nothing to do with the love you have for them as an individual. And that is hard to translate through a camera. So all we do is look at the outward stuff. And that's what religious people do, like the ones that would pick off the side of the road and take to the hospital.

The Durbins. They see the outward stuff. And this is exactly how the Pharisees saw. And that's why they did not receive Christ. I'm not close to him i'm the worst but anyway yeah um you have yeah you don't have a issue calling it out no no with the same heart you actually love people in bondage will spend time seeking to liberate them endless lots of time Lots of time. Yeah.

That's another thing. People don't know that we have a private ministry too. You and Larry were at the park. You helped a man who was struggling. People don't know the things you do behind the scenes. And I don't even want them to know the things that happen behind the scenes. So I'm not here to talk about that yeah but just know there is a behind the scenes side of our faith too yeah yeah it goes to show the the amount that they're considering what you're doing your jackass-edness is the public face and that's all anyone sees right what has it this fearlessness is another way of calling

the jackass-edness led you to say and do over the years? The stuff that makes proper people mock. I say and do what makes them mock and criticize, unabashed willingness to change my views because I've been wrong, suggest alternatives to the standard norm traditions, and stand up to just pure BS.

You know, if you can't, if you can't, if you don't have someone who's taught, teaching you about religion, and they can't stand up to any kind of BS, I don't think they should be listened to. I don't care if it's BS about, you know, let's do this with some of the monies for the homeless. And let's just stop the BS. That's it. All right. So changing doctrine? Calling yourself, likening yourself to Joseph Smith Jr.

? Absolutely. In the spirit of man, Joseph Smith jr and i are very much alike not though in my thinking i'm a prophet not in thinking god has called me and not using god's name to teach i don't receive any kind of revelations that was smith and that's again you get separation separation always that two parts yeah we've talked about others too aside or well carl young is one carl one uh carl one carl young is one i just read a quote from him it was great it says there's a mystical fool in me this young said this that proved to be stronger than all my science isn't that radical that that

mystical being that we just reject today we say there's no mysticism today no no no and i would say something like there's a mystical fool in me that proves stronger than all my dogma and all my failures in the flesh the mystical is what i am very much like young we've um there's more too many more uh i would say elijah i would say uh diogenes and of course uh john the baptist which we're going to talk about leo tolstoy simone vale uh the fictional duncan curtis from when a stranger calls anton sigur from uh no country from Man, very much a spirit animal of my makeup.

Exine Cervanka, Mike Patton, big time of the rock industry. Maynard, Terrence Malick, filmmaker. Too many to name. Like? Savannah, Rola, Nietzsche, Marx, Jean Hus, St. Francis of Assisi, Brescia. All of these guys. People who directly give the finger to society and culture but are devoted to their art. Kind of those things are two sides of the same coin.

They are. In those people's lives, yes. And you can say, oh, you fabricated that makeup of yourself no it came to me and i learned in retrospect that such characters existed yeah i can attest to that yeah yeah so uh uh my my work in the faith really is an artistic endeavor and you and i have talked a lot about that that i am an artist it's an artistic perspective it's not be followed, but it is to be considered.

That's what we suggest a Yeshuan does in general. We hope. And what everyone's doing, but we just come to realize it, that faith is a pursuit of learning and expressing of love in this subjective way in your own life and it really is a creative endeavor. And I think that's what God made us to be.

I would never want you to be like me and I don't want to be like you and except in good things, the things of God, right? And we should look at everybody like that and let the way God has made each of us to shine forth authentically. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So this brings us to you're coming face to face with a persona that's been in the works to come forth from you since childhood.

And you think now's the time to let it fly? Yeah. I've been in the cocoon. I've been in the cocoon long enough. We've done the work. It's all searchable by virtue of Delaney here and there. It's ready to be tested and challenged from anybody who cares. My transformation is complete, and I'm ready to step up forward are you ready can you accept this I am stepping forward now as Sean the Baptist in the spirit of John the Baptist is this biblically supported that you can claim a spirit of a character from the past like this if

like Jesus said to his own apostles if if you are willing. Yeah. That's what he said about John. If you're willing, he was the Elijah prophesied of in Malachi. If you're willing and believe that John the Baptist came, I think in the spirit of man of Elijah, that I have come forth in the spirit of John the Baptist.

Okay, so let's work through this for those who are willing and can understand. Let's work through it. Yeah, let's work through it. I'm coming forth tonight, and this Sunday is going to be my first actual public presentation of this character that I will only appear in publicly as from now on. I am now Sean the Baptist.

You are in the spirit of John the Baptist. Yes, in the spirit of. I am not John the Baptist. Yes, thank you. In the spirit. Yeah. In the spirit. I, you know, that's not out, that out there. yeah in the spirit i you know that's not out that out there those who know you can see the material parallels you know do i dare do you dare um and these are not new are they you've seen this since 2006 right aren't i the one who's always his hair and everything is changing yeah that's that spirit yeah and again this isn't like you thought you were John the Baptist when you were little.

Never. This is a realization like, oh, this makes sense. Right. Thank you for that. So those who know, you can see the material parallels. I'm one of them. I've seen the parallels when people ask you if you need some change outside of the grocery store. My mom and sisters are others, but let's discuss the driver behind this after all these years, the realization coming out of the cocoon.

Yeah. So in addition to all that you just said, less than a year ago, I had kind of an experience with death. And, you know, I'm mystically minded and I pushed it to the edge, went through all that. And then it kind of dawned on me that now's the time. We've done our work. You have just in the past month taken that work and made it available.

Available. Our writing has made it. And so now it's time, I think, for me to help put boots on the ground of the Yeshua movement. And so I believe that it's on me by the spirit of man. I'm not saying this is of God to come forth now. But unlike John the Baptist, who Christ said, there is none greater born of a woman.

That's what he said of John the Baptist. But he said, but the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. I am coming forth as Sean the Baptist, as the least in the kingdom of God. So where John was qualified by his righteousness to the law, I am just coming forward in the spirit of this thing as qualified by my brokenness, by my weakness as a man, not by any, I am not greatest among women, uh, by any means in the flesh, but I am the least in the kingdom of God because of Christ showing I am allowed to be in that kingdom too

with all these other people who live lives much better than I have and so we want in the spirit of man you and I a week 10 days ago I went and I was washed and anointed by the spirit of man in this world for what I'm going to come out and now do. And what was that? Am I breaking it? You break it, although they can see it.

He's gotten washed and anointed on his ear to hear. You say why. Why your ear? To hear the name and word of God. On your mouth. Right here. word of God. On your mouth. Right here. To speak the name of God. On your eye. To see God's way. On your neck. Back of my neck. To bear the burden of the name of God. On your chest. That he's on my heart. These are all washings in it. The guy washed my face with water. Then he tattooed me and then he anointed it with oil.

Okay, I know you think this guy's insane. I don't care. And then... Your hands, your hands. My knuckle. Fingers. Yep. And to, so that I can share with my hands, do the work of Yahava. knees. Both knees are over both knees so that I bow and kneel only to Yahava, God. With the name Yahava. That's what's tattooed on you. Yeah, that's his name everywhere.

And it's in paleo Hebrew so that when people say, what does that mean? I can teach them of how it's the real name of God and not some fiction that the Masoretic Jews made up to get us to pronounce his name wrongly. Okay, so as Shawn the Baptist, who are you coming out to talk to? Boots on the Ground. I believe in the logic and reason I have that the Boots on the Ground should go out to college-aged kids and teenagers and anyone who's seeking and to go out to the desert and invite them to come out and meet sean the baptist that's what we're going to start doing in late september

october and well that's when it begins that's when it's going to begin we'll give you the dates there's even a website you created meet sean the bapt.com. All the socials are going to be MeetSeanTheBaptist. Everything will MeetSeanTheBaptist. And what will it look like later? I don't know. Do you? Well, let's start with saying what it looks like.

I'm not sure if we've even announced this in full. No, we're kind of announcing it now the sean the baptist events yeah we'll be in the desert yeah and you'll be meeting with these uh students yeah what were you just adjacent uh like here in utah we've only planned utah and we're going to start in northern utah and there's a college in northern utah we're going to meet in the desert outside of that college area and Delaney's going to reach out to the college professors and teachers and students and we're going to say hey come meet Sean the Baptist

if you want him to speak at your campus he can we might get a booth we don't know we don't still still in prep still in prep yeah and then on a Saturday for an hour, I'm going to go out and I'm going to take in our trailer, a basin, and it's going to be filled with water out there. And we invite everybody to come.

Now, John the Baptist, when he came, he baptized with water unto repentance to the Jews alone. Okay. And Yeshua's baptism through his apostles was in Yeshua's name because of fulfillment. And that Paul says in first Corinthians, that God is now all in all, even crisis is stepped aside.

Now from his right hand, God is on all the Sean, the Baptist baptism is going to be anybody of any faith. If you have faith in a God, that's how we're putting it. And you want to love others in the name of that faith, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Christian, evangelical, Calvinist, Mormon, then you can be receive the baptism of Sean the Baptist in Yahava's name. It's in God's name.

We'll just say God's name and you're being baptized into a life of faith and love. We let you as Jeshuans determine the categories and ways of your faith that because it is a subjective decision. We aren't going to argue with you on the color of God's eyes or the makeup of his body or lack thereof.

We're not going to argue the Trinity. We're not going to argue, are you this? We aren't baptizing into a doctrine. We're baptizing into anybody on earth who says, I'm sick of fighting about tenets of faith. says I'm sick of fighting about tenets of faith. I want to believe like I believe and I want to love others around me. That's the baptism we are bringing to the students in this state at first.

Some small questions. Are you the only person that can baptize? Actually, I'm just out there standing by the water. I invite people to be baptized. Someone can baptize themselves. Someone can have a friend do it, a woman do it, a child do it, because it's a subjective thing the person is doing before their God. I have no authority.

We're just getting the movement started. Yeah. And the movement we are calling a united front. That's right. This is anyone. And let's just make this clear can they be muslim anyone yes can they be jewish yes can they be even an atheist yes we don't question i think most people are atheists because they've been trained wrong i don't think many people could really be a denier of christ if they really heard the truth about everything but they are so i blame atheism and agnosticism mostly on religion yeah i agree yeah so anybody who comes forward from that community of

college from utah state down to weber down to u of u down to byu down to st george we are going going to go to those cities and we're going to invite them to meet Sean the Baptist. And we're going to appeal to those kids to say, your parents, while well-meaning, your pastors, your imam, your rabbis have all misled you. We want you to know that God loves you.

And we want you to know that he wants you to love others. And I think any of those faiths would preach the same. that he wants you to love others and I think any of those faiths would preach the same and now if you want to join and become part of the United Front and we just established the United Front years ago again we didn't know how it was gonna be used but now we're gonna use it and we're gonna get people of all religions to join the United Front are we saying you must believe this and this no no this is and it's it's really just a

way to get the conversation going yeah let's just start from the right place now this isn't a doctrinal anything no it's an anti-doctrine it's just a unifying unified and the thing about that is too Delaney we've talked about and I don't I don't know if you can answer it but I think you can are we going to record people's names and address and date of birth and their genealogy and put it in a record so they can say no we are going to do what get Get their first name. Yep. And if they want, they'll get a t-shirt.

Yes. If they want to give their name and t-shirt, they'll get a t-shirt. And the t-shirt, what's going to be on it? It will mark their number of how many, what baptism they are in the lineup of a United Front grassroots organization. Yeah. That's it. That's's it i don't even think we're going to collect emails or contact it's not a collective thing it's a thing to unite you know and i think perhaps of course subconsciously the charlie kirk thing here in utah helped bring this about to try to reach the youth but we've always been youth oriented and we've always been about the young

and we're going to really bring this forward this week sunday when we have another ratio christy group yeah they don't know that they're not meeting sean mccraney they don't realize they're going to meet the first public stance of sean the baptist yeah so tune into the ratio christy what was a sort of debate and now will be more of a presentation from sean the bapt Baptist to really get a sense of what the spirit of this thing is.

This has been a introduction, a background, how this has come about, but Sean the Baptist hasn't really come out yet. Not really. You guys got the insider's view to mock and or rejoice. Oh, and we invite you to come out too. If you're in the area and we come out to some part of where you are, come out and you can talk to kids. We'll be posting.

If we do anything on social media ever, this is going to be the thing. It's meet Sean the Baptist, follow that. And on here on Heart of the Matter, we'll keep you updated. But what do you hope to share and accomplish with all of this? Unity. That I think that we are coming to. I think that's what the spirit of the risen Christ in fulfillment is desiring in this world.

And I think that most organized religions have somehow created disunity. And it's the opposite of what God wants in his creations and it's what he wants in his children especially and that's unity so we believe we can be brothers and sisters spiritually with somebody who believes differently than us through the spirit of Christ yeah and how can you clarify why can you think that Christians would say they want unity and they do that with the body of Christ yeah And so Muslims aren't involved in that. So why is our body of Christ extended

out into this constellation of people? For the simple, and we have to admit, we do base it on our theology of why we do this, but it's based off him, all power in heaven and earth being given to him. And he is the victor. And so once that was done and we believe it's fulfilled, God has become all in all.

And the spirit of the living Christ is in all people. Now, people don't need to know that from my mouth because that might offend some, but they don't realize that if they love and if they walk in faith, it's the spirit of Christ. They have the spirit of Christ. They're living by the same thing.

And we call it the spirit of Christ. That's right. We call it that. And we'll believe it's that till we die, but there's a chance we're wrong. Absolutely. We could be wrong. And that's the point. That's the point. Yeah. And if we keep that stance, instead of we're right, you're wrong, it allows all of us to have these respective beliefs that we carry about with us, that our parents gave us and that our pastors and people gave us.

But we step back on dogma. We step into love. Remember he said, blessed are the peacemakers, the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. And so what we're doing is we're trying to get children of God to come forward. Not Christians, not Muslims, not Jews, children of God who have faith, their faith and love.

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