Yeshuans Ministry Update & Intent

Yeshuans Ministry Update & Intent | Heart of the Matter EPIPHANY

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you you Subtitles by the Amara.org community Dear friend, if you wanna feel better, don't let the devil make you toss this letter. If you've been crossed off by hoodoo, voodoo, or whizzerd or the muzzer.

You got family trouble, man trouble, woman trouble, no life as a brother. You're looking for a true friend or a true lover, or if you've been living undercover. Well, I'm coming to your town to break it all down and help you with all of this.

You're looking for a true friend or a true lover Or if you've been living undercover Well, I'm coming to your town to break it all down And help you with all of this I'm looking to help you find bliss One day, one way, can't miss I'm here to tear all the walls down Doesn't matter if it's a large town or a small town. Just like Joshua and the famous walls of Jericho, I'm here to tear down the institution.

But you must tell seven friends. You must first bring seven friends. And don't be selfish and keep this all to yourself and don't eat shellfish. Hate is trying to take someone else's love for yourself. But I'm here to tell you that love is trying to help someone else. You need to see me right away so I can fix this, ah.

You need to see me right away. You need to see me right away so I can fix this, ah. You need to see me right away so I can fix this, ah You need to see me right about now And if you are suffering a straight sickness, ah Or someone is blocking up all of your success, ah You need to see me right away so I can fix this, ah The sun's sincerely yours and fate, love and peace Your friend Archbishop Harold and fix this up.

Sounds sincerely yours and faith, love, and peace, your friend, Archbishop Harold. Hey, it's Heart of the Matter. It's another Tuesday night, 8 p.m. Mountain Time. This is Delaney. I'm Sean, daughter and dad, and we come together on this venue that we've done for over 20 years every week, and we have always kind of focused on theological stuff, but we are realizing that in this day and age, we want to use this space on YouTube to kind of inform you, our audience, who like us, follow us, and want us to give you

an update on everything that we're about. Yeah. So we're going to split the show into two parts. First, we'll do a ministry update and just in one place, tell you everything that's been going on, that will be going on. And then we will get into the why of why we're doing this, what our intent is for the ongoing future.

Sounds good. All right. Yeshuans has been evolving over like five years. Not that we knew that it was Yeshuans at the time, but all to say this is the hub. Yeshuans is the hub of anything we do and all the sort of tentacles all are hosted at Yeshuans is the hub of anything we do and all the sort of tentacles all are hosted at Yeshuans.

So it's a mobile app. Look up Yeshuans in the Google Play Store or the Apple Store. It's kind of a first pass. So we're working to improve it and add a lot more functionalities. But there you can get any courses, any books, any articles, and then forums with other people that are in it. It also now has the search function.

And that is in constant improvement as well. But this is, you can access it without the app at search.yeshuans.faith or just go to yeshuans.faith and you'll find everything but the search function is ai summaries of questions that you have about Sean's content it fences off the content so it just answers from his work or whatever work is on the yeshuans app and then which is mostly your work at this point and then the perk of getting the app is that you can like chat with it and keep it going rather than just doing this single questions explain to

the audience because I need to hear it the difference between the site and the app okay yeshuans.faith is the website that you go to to learn about what yeshuans is at all it gives you an overview it gives you the instructions on how to sign up for the app which is and we've used the analogy before of like, if you have the school UCLA and you go to the school UCLA, the website ucla.

edu is just the, when you, where you learn about UCLA, it's not where you go to take the classes, you go to the physical school. So the app is the physical school. It contains all the content on the website on the app. The no, they are separate thing. The content is on the app. So you got to sign up for the app if you want to take any content.

This is understood by most younger people. But it's not understood by guys like me and older and that's why I want to do it because we do have some people who are my age and older who get confused with it. I still get confused with it. That's true. So the website yeshuans.faith tells you what we do at the app more or less and out in the world. Okay. What, what the intent of the app is, who we even are, Sean.

So it gives you like an introduction if you're a stranger to the app, which is like starting you in a course about biblical fulfillment. You're like, what is this? So who is this person? You know, the, the app, the website is an introduction to the app okay so the content is different thank you um so the website both the website and the app have that search functionality there's a shop that's on both of them that has um all i don't know what we're at 50 books and and counting we're gonna have more merch and things like that that we're adding to it right

now we're designing so that's yes you ends yeah and the thing about that search element that's on the app and the website is that you can say can you summarize this book for me that's and it will do it and then you can read about what's in that book and then decide if you want to get it or not. You can ask it lots of things. And right now it's decent at answering questions.

And even in the next week, it's going to get better, not because it thinks for itself, but because of how we get it to work. So we're working in the background on it. Can we address the I heard that a college speaker got booed for mentioning the future of AI being great and that there's a kickback against AI now.

How are we like responsibly trying to use AI versus, how have we offset the immediacy of what AI gives versus the depth of the content we've created? The only use of AI in our work is to give summaries of a thing that already exists. So we aren't generating new content with it. We aren't writing. We're not using it to write our shows, our books.

our shows our books like we our app and our work is all original content and we use ai as a communicator for people to ask questions about that original work or for it to summarize so on a on an um episode of heart of the matter in the app, it will have an AI summary of like, what is this show about? And it will summarize it for you, but that's the extent of our use of it.

Um, and just to let you know, Delaney recommended in a book, another book I'm kind of working on called, uh, uh, two that she said, you know, cause I said, I'm starting to borrow some really easy summaries of content I know about. But it's just easier for AI to tell me what it is. Like if I say, what is all of presuppositionalism about? It can do that.

And what we do in the book, this is the only book we've ever used AI is i put a little icon and that indicates this is the start of ai research and then i put in parentheses end of ai yeah so the point for us is that we're very explicit about when ai is being used and um uh And additionally, that is to say any content that we put out, if someone makes a video of you in the future saying something that's outrageous with AI, people will always be able to fact check it against our website.

And if it's not on our website, then we didn't make it. Like that's going to be the point of this app. point of this app and we recognize like the plethora of consequences of ai and environmental and like ideological but like anything we like like with religion included we're like take the good with the bad and um do the best that we can with it. I think we use it pretty ethically.

I think we're trying really hard too. It's excellent because we want to do that with everything. Typically, we don't say this is verboten and this is extolled. We take the middle ground of reason with everything and try to use it responsibly. We're trying to. It's hard. I'll be honest, it's hard for me our this younger generation is the one i think that feels it the most because it's like you know we there's no glimmer of hope of how to make your way in the world because it's just going to disrupt it all but i think it also lends to opportunity for people like us who like have worked really freaking hard.

And it's finally allowing us to like break through to communicate what we've done. So anyway. Okay. Excellent. That's the AI. That's Yeshuans. Look up Yeshuans.faith on the website or yeshuans in the mobile app store. And that's how you access that. Okay, we also have a leadership program going on. That is phenomenal. Awesome.

It's our third annual and it's a different approach this year. Everyone has been really awesome. And the point of this leadership program is not to get people to think a certain way, but to get them to think and to figure out what they think. And the end is they graduate into our think tank at Yeshuans, who we meet with quarterly.

So that's what's going on. I love the way on you said that because i know it's been used before but we don't tell you what to think we try to teach you how to think and then we respect whatever your thoughts are yeah that's yes opening things that usually aren't thought about and like hoping you think about them a little bit more. Things that are just accepted as true or dogma.

And so we really love the Eshin Leadership Program. And if you want to do it, the prerequisites are doing the YES program on the app. It's a course series. And you just do that. It's all free. And then we welcome you into the six month zoom program that we're doing which is held each year and that's what we're in right now so we have like 10 people some had done it before who are there kind of an advisory review position but we had 10 or 11 people in the last one and these people are writing papers and they're expressing their

open thoughts about things. Some are saying, I'm not sure about eschatology and it's fine. We should be this way in the faith. It's the point. Yeah, definitely. Okay. Then another thing that is currently existing that will come forth in the next couple months is Shaun the Baptist.

It's starting to come forth in events, but that is your sort of outreach arm for I think of it as for Yeshuans, but you think of it as separate, but it's for a united front. So Sean the Baptist is coming as you're coming to the worlds, you're wandering the worlds and hoping people come meet you out in desolate areas to unite.

That's the point is we address that division is at the most fundamental level of society right now and the if we're gonna bear fruit in the world it's to unite with people without giving them our doctrine or anything so Shawn the Baptist is going to be baptizing into a united front and a united front is just the place where you sign your name that you are uniting with one another it's not a christian baptism it's not a john the baptist baptism it's not a denominational baptism it's like the jews were baptized when they crossed the red sea then are being baptized unto unity of faith. That's it. Unity of faith, irrespective of what someone

believes. Therefore we would baptize and mostly students because we're going to try at least in Utah to go X, uh, what is it? Extant of the college campus. And so if you have a college campus, we will be out in the desert because this is desert out here to the west we'll be in the desert meeting college students and or speaking on their campuses and our invitation is going to be hey listen if you're a muslim if you're a jew if you're a protestant if you're a catholic you're a mormon you're seventh day adventist buddhist we don't care we think you should look at each other

and say we want to unite in faith what faith is it that's up to you yeah so these are taking shape you can go to meet seanthebaptist.com all the socials are going to be meet sean the baptist as the name and um that is building up right now and we're going to start posting things soon and a united front is also taking shape so keep an eye out for that and when when did we establish a united front we we just we established several like outreaches years ago but we haven't done anything with them we've talked about united

front we've mentioned it over the years because it's been like a concept that we want to unite with these people we thought maybe it's conferences, maybe. And we've tried to do it like that, and it hasn't worked. And it just kind of came into being as we conceptualized Sean the Baptist. It's like, oh, this is where United Front falls.

This is right. We see all of this kind of as a dynamic snowball rolling forward. And as it gains momentum downhill and gathers more, it gets bigger. Yeah. But it's all part of the same core snowflake that started it. Yes. A hundred percent. So, and we have a couple people specifically our friend Jeff, that's going to help us with the messaging of the United Front because he believes differently but is it's a perfect relationship because he unites with us in spirit and so we'll we'll be able to craft that yeah really really great how people of different

types and walks have come together. They have accepted our differences. We've accepted theirs. And we're able to kind of push forward as a group of people that say faith's important to us. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Okay, so ongoing content now. In those things that we just announced are you teach on Sundays you teach twice you teach verse by verse through Matthew right now from the Yeshua perspective right you teach Sunday schools which are more like topical series series which we will put even into uh courses later. Yeah, they're serving as more course-like.

So we hope you show up and understand that it's serial like that, like it's building a case each week. We have Heart of the Matter, which you're watching now. And that is sort of changing too, like we just said when we announced it. Delaney and I wanna use this.

watching now and that is like we just said when we and I want to use this si our heart of the matter v to get a huge audience an and views in order to mon is our in house meeting. We don't do them in verse by verse. We don't do them on anything else. And then we'll talk generally about religion when subjects come up. Yes, definitely. We have, I Don't Get the Bible, which we do once a week now. That is on the Yeshuans channel.

We have Firesides, which are the sort of the call-in show time for you to ask questions and then we have events like the ratio christy events going on and we have one coming up this sunday may 31st 2 p.m and tune in because we did a show last week on reviewing how come we're not really getting understood we'll talk about that we'll talk about that and uh but we have another ratio christy group a new one who is ratio christy they are a cult collegiate group where these kids fancy themselves sort of as a christian apologists

and they come in and they dialogue with us yeshuans we've had some issues but we'll talk about those. Alright, so those are ongoing. Coming soon, we're going to get, we get asked a lot about the TVAR project and that is, exists, it's always ongoing. We have a lot that has been released and a lot that hasn't.

that hasn't he's written revelation he's written john um but and then you've done some of the gospels that have not been released yet so what we're gonna do is get this onto the app in like a hopefully like a almost like a bible app uh function so you can read the bible and tap and and engage with the tv ar that way Also, you can download it the way we usually do. So that's coming soon.

A better search engine, like I said, that's going to improve a lot in the near future, hopefully, God willing. More books we're going to do. We're specifically together working on a book called Toward a Better Trinity. That's going to be a really important book for Yeshuans and for Christians to understand how we do embrace forms of the Trinity. Yes. But that we clearly distinguish between what creedal Trinitarianism is and says and demands.

And then Delaney, we didn't even talk about what you're working on and maybe we should you should mention that yeah because Delaney is separately from her own body of work working on some really exciting stuff relative even to how the trinity really affects the way we think do you want to speak about that sure it's not just the trinity maybe not reveal the name because i want to get that make sure that we own it oh well the name's good i think but um yeah i'm i want to start building just a body of work that and i i think i'm working

on it through essays and video essays and then maybe some other things as well. I'm really actually inclined to make some art, which is weird. I've never felt that way before. So that's awesome. It will be a collection, but I'm most, most importantly, essays and video essays about, um, the economics of the Yeshuan approach, because that's kind of how i see this i studied architecture i think in terms of like material and value and time and i think that's what is so unique about the yeshuan perspective is the way it perceives that as having changed from the biblical era to

now to the future. That is what changes across time. So I want to get into that. I'm so excited about the concept. I think it is revolutionary, insightful. I think that it is going to make the faith really understandable from the yeshuan perspective and i think really and the other thing is is when she writes she uses punctuation so i mean right now it's an improvement right but also so we're working on a better trinity that book toward a better trinity and you're also working on the two book like i'm working on a two book and then I'm working on an outline for our whole

philosophical approach to the faith which is going to be important. Yeah that's good. We need to understand that this is, and we're going to talk about this, a biblical philosophy. That's what's really important to understand. It's a philosophical approach. It is not a religion. Yeshuans, really, we represent a philosophical approach to both understanding and reading the Bible and how to live.

Yeah, and we're going to talk about that today. After these sort of logistical updates, we're going to talk about kind of just what we're doing, getting everyone on the same page. Okay, there's a lot more coming soon but it's not worth saying I like I mentioned we have some merch as well but the most important thing I think to describe is our long term goal do you want to break the ice with that one? Yeah, we've talked about it a few times, but bottom line, our family, Sean and Mary McCraney family, with Mallory and Nicholas,

Lazer and Samson, Cassidy and Matt and Mary Bird, Larry and Delaney and Ava, and whoever else comes into the family, we hope to take all of this stuff and because we believe education is the new religion because of fulfillment we want to create start literally a brick and mortar school the concept that we're working with, we're not sure this will be the final thing, but I have this idea, and that is between high school and college, there is a gap.

And the high school is really meaningless now do whatever it means college is even not at this point and so and then you go from the high school where mom and dad are making sure you're not getting drunk on the weekends too much and all that stuff and then you go into a world that is ensconced in exploration and that we see that gap as really being significant in the lives of children.

So what we want to do instead of feeding the machine to pump kids into careers that they don't even know that they want and have them get out of college in debt and in a job that they probably don't like and to make a whole bunch of mistakes in their life at this really key time, we think that there should be an intercessor school and it should be like this new thing to the world or at least the US education that when a kid leaves high school the parents enroll them in a two-year school and that that school will function to help prepare them for real life living philosophy art yeah choice making all of

that yeah the i mean europeans often take a gap year oh mormons do the mission at that time yeah like everyone knows that that's such a formative time and ours isn't again it's like the leadership program it's not going to be we will teach what we believe but it's not going to be just about that it's going to be helping a kid learn how to think and hopefully prepare them to become both a plumber or a ceo or an artist like whatever um so it's it just makes the most sense our whole family is so oriented towards youth and schools for some reason, both of those things.

And art and cinema and literature and all of that. And we think that exposing kids to some of the better stuff instead of the CGI driven action movies. Sorry. instead of just CGI driven action movies, sorry, and to get them to start to see another way to live that when they do go to college, we hope that this will be somehow, a college would see that as a real good thing.

That they went to this unnamed school. Yeah, it's like a preparatory, yes, it's serious. It's, yeah, it's like like we hope it becomes a real value to the world, not just a utopian sort of concept. And we want it to be a destination point for people around the world to say, I want my kid to go there. They are not ready to go into college.

And to know the values and the principles and the philosophy that we stand for before they day one enter and know that we allow people to be who they are. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. So that's the idea of the school. We'll probably talk a little bit more about it in the second half of the show but to cap off that section if you want to get involved in any way the ways we ask are at the base level is to consider and pray for this work that's the most important if you want to consider the work more we ask you to sign up for the app. It's free. We don't hound you when we take your email. It's none of that kind of stuff. It's just

for you to engage with the work. The next level is doing the leadership program, if you'd like, and joining the think tank. And finally, we have a patron program and that we call it that because it's supporting the spirit of the work, not a specific project. And you can see more about that at yeshuans.faith.

You'll see the patron program on there. And as with everything that's important to me, at least the patron program is for those who can financially support themselves, maybe have a little discretionary income are not on a limited fixed income that they can't barely make it this is not a tie this is not a offering this is not God saying you should do it it's like supporting anything you want to get behind that's basically what and if you're in the position to do it yes and only if you're in the position to do it. Yes. And only if you're in the position to do it.

Right. So why all of this? Why all of that and the future? Let me ask you. Why? There's so many reasons. There's personal, this is just so what I care about doing. Uh, what I think that's why you do this too. At the base level, this is what we care about and we've given up everything to focus on this.

So it's more about like, why do we care about it? it I guess okay why do you care about this the bottom line for me personally I don't know if this is you but for me I believe that life should be lived in liberty and that everybody should have the freedom to think, be, believe, act as they want so long as they are not harming someone else of course and as long as they feel that they are free in the thing that they're doing and so when I have personally found things that put us in bondage, because I was always in bondage to people trying to impose certain things on me that I didn't want

to be in bondage to, I felt the need to go after and try to find and seek what would bring the most liberty that's my personal objective and i think what makes us a good pair is that i really understand that and and now having studied and i like face that same like deeper care but i don't think it started that way like i wasn't born wanting liberty maybe i was like i i don't know i think i'm more of a control person you know so um but like logically i know we're not we're kind of butting up against logic and using that but logically it actually makes sense to

me like there's no way for the world for all people to work unless there is Liberty like it's it's not possible like rationally so this is at the core of like a functional philosophy as well that can be like argued argued yeah not just argued by like this is what I care about which isn't what you're doing obviously but no but it does stem almost ironically from a subjective view from me because that is what we promote yeah and that's why I think it comes through when you present because and people criticize it as like this is your worldview.

And that's not fair. That's just how you your presentation style. They're like not giving you the credit of like what you're actually saying. saying so um and and the other thing is is that we believe that liberty can truly be found in a relationship with god yeah and that a relationship with other things are always going to be in the end a fail right so at the base level, which is what, where Sean, the Baptist in United Front is at right now is liberty. Like that is the most essential thing that we'll argue for outside of

the Bible, outside of God, outside of anything. Like it's more important for us to talk to someone about the liberty that they have than to say God gave you that liberty. Right. Is that correct? Absolutely. But... Because then we get into theology. Yeah, then it's like arguing if God exists or not. Like, it's more important for someone to believe God exists with their liberty than to believe God exists by force.

Right. Is that correct? Absolutely, in my mind. And in order for humans to be able to advance in their own respective subjective liberty, we suggest that there should be an environment where that's possible. Yes. The only way to get to a true, because, okay. So we think that God is the way to that liberty.

But the only way to get to a true relationship with God, it has to come from the place of liberty and choosing it. So we set up that environment first. And for those watching who watched last week, where we're like working through the ratio christy thing this is where we've arrived from your taking your comments into consideration and everything it's that the base like the thing we're positing to anyone including christians is that is that that the only way to a true belief in god is through liberty and choosing it

and it's fake if it's coerced through the fear of religious like doctrine dogma doctrine uh demands yeah so we feel that even though some christians believe there's a hell a way to for people and we feel that we believe or know that there are some Christians who say you must believe this way and some Muslims will say you must believe that way and all those side issues that denominations grip and then own and control people with we say that the starting point is for at least is to at least say you have the right as a human to believe what you want.

And I will love and respect you and not threaten you with my perspective on what is real. Right. And like that, if we believe, if there is something that is as close to objectively true as possible, I think it's that. Like if we stand on something like someone can not live by liberty, that's fine. Sure.

But like it is true that we are condemned to be free. The fact that we exist and have to choose something. Yes. And is true. And we believe that God authored that. Like God allows people to not believe in him. Like that's a fact. As evidenced by the whole human history of the world. At least in this life.

What we know is this life, we know God allows people to do whatever the hell they want. Like he might step in and do things, but we don't know what those things are that he's doing and what he's not doing. And every camp will claim he's doing it for them. Yes. A hundred percent. So, um, so that starts a, a discussion coming from that place, which you did naturally, like you naturally came from that lens and then pursued the Bible so hard outside of tradition.

You came to this really unique perspective that like doesn't disagree with the things that they talk about, with the idea that there is salvation and Christ and all these things. I personally fully support that. Yes, like all of them, right and wrong, good and bad, like light and dark. All these things exist, but the way that they are used as counterfeits and manipulated by religion is what these Christian apologists perpetuate.

And so you're coming at them at that level of like your way off. But deeper down is the like first level of liberty. And the difference, as you know, between freedom and liberty is freedom. We all have freedom. I can think whatever I want to think and nobody can stop me. And I can actually do what I want to do within the confines of the space I've been given.

So I can kill my neighbor if I want. I have the freedom. But I am going to be truncated in my actions by laws and by other people if my my freedom uh transfers over to their liberty right okay but liberty is to be able to think and act and believe without repercussion without repercussion oh yeah i didn't know yeah that you distinguish it yeah is it your distinguish no it's it's the real distinct it's the real distinction between the two okay so liberty in the faith i am not talking about licentiousness to go kill somebody and anarchy in the secular sense i'm trying that infringes

on another person of course liberty right that's that's not global liberty right liberty has to be something that everybody participates in yeah and in the religious sense we suggest that god gives us the liberty to worship allah buddha uh christ whatever he allows that he gives the freedom i think that's freedom so see here no he gives the liberty to do that okay he gives us gives us the right to do that. Without repercussion from him.

Without repercussion from him. Okay. But the Christians say, yeah, the repercussion's hell. Or the Muslim says it's this or the Jew says it's that. We are saying you should have the liberty in this life from people who follow God to follow him the way you freely are made. follow him the way you're you freely are made according to your upbringing your parenting your church that you've gone to the religion you're put what your conscience says what you really believe therefore a christian should not point to a muslim and say you're evil you're going to hell

a muslim shouldn't point to a christian say you're the seed of the devil and all of this religious stuff and we should give liberty to each other in terms of doctrine and practice okay so liberty is is when consequences are not involved that's right so do i don't fully know if i understand that definition but can i ask you yeah like what why when you argue for that liberty the first impression is like that's allowing and condoning horrible things to happen like how how are we okay with that being the most essential

we okay with that being the most essential level of what we're fighting for? If someone, you know, wants to have a genocide of all Muslims, you know, or all Christians, but make it the worst one for them. Whichever one you want. The first response from me is God allows it. Okay. response for me is God allows it.

He allows us in our free will and our dominion over this world to polarize ourselves into camps where we think we can kill other people. Right and how is it that those that is without consequence? You mean in the eternal realm? I mean in the realm of your beliefs are yours and you alone are responsible for those. Okay, so liberty is in the realm of beliefs. It's not like physical. Oh no, not physical. We have laws for this world.

Okay. I'm all for those. Could that be the distinguish? Is that like freedom is a material thing and liberty is like a spiritual thing I think so something like that we're like freedom is you know freedom of religion in a country meaning you won't get arrested if you like freedom is a material right argument when that's where we get into like like a Christian nationalist is arguing for freedom.

They're not arguing for liberty. We're arguing at like everyone should be allowed to believe without you coercing them. Including believe that Christians should be put to death by Muslims. Right. Because that's a belief that they have. Is it right? They should be allowed to believe that. They should be allowed to believe it and think it, even teach it.

But when they practice it, they infringe upon the liberties of others. Okay. And we do not support that. Is it going to, can I keep asking about this or is it going too far? Yeah, let's spend time. Maybe this is the show. Yeah, because this is where we've arrived since the last episode. We've really talked through it as like like what are we willing to like put ourselves on the line for in terms of like as close to objective as possible like below the bible below our support for the position what's the position it's this and so like so the sorry we have a distraction in the studio um

the liberty for someone to believe that but also saying it already does exist. So it's more the position that it already does exist. What should we do about that? Because people would argue, yeah, it exists. Of course a Muslim believes that. I, as a Christian, want stop because out of love for them because they're like that's going to be a harmful thing in their life to believe that or whatever like so really at the core of it is that it's not harmful to believe these things or what is it that's the opinion of the Christian that it's harmful for the Muslim to believe that the Muslim

already believes that it's important for jihad to exist in this world right but we do think that there's more and there's more harmful and less harmful things to believe like we don't disagree with that but more at the essence that's more important that's the wrong word to use, more important is that we, that the fact that someone needs to choose their belief for it to be real.

Like we need to give them the liberty to figure it out for themselves. Because if you tell them, if you, so. But there's more. Yeah. And that is, it's not just what you're saying, but we want to provide a solution that works initially. Yes. Among people. And that is, you're free to believe that. And I'm going to love you.

That's okay. Because when you say that, that is the thing that can overcome dogma in the mind of a zealot. Right. Okay. So in the sort of jawbreaker analogy we used last week, the outer surface joining arm in arm with people in liberty Sean the Baptist is coming out to give everybody liberty and unite with others who agree with that position.

But as the next layer that's in our subjective realm, I guess, we think love is kind of the only way to get to that liberty. Like we will argue for that forever. But if someone disagrees with it, they're allowed to. They. Like we will argue for that forever. But if someone disagrees with it, they're allowed to.

They can and we respect them. So, but, and that's why ours is better is because we love them still. They don't love us. Like there's an argument for love that pragmatically works. And that was the love Christ taught in that he said, when someone steals from you, give them your cloak too. When someone strikes you, turn the other cheek. When you are persecuted, do good to them.

This is the real Christian ethic. It is not to take up arms and fight the thing that threatens us because the love we show them in the face of their persecution is going to be the thing that will actually break somebody who cares so this is how we get into our subjective like uh logic of believing in christ and seeing that christ's work is about love toward Liberty.

Like that's how, that's the argument that we will stand on forever as the best way. Like we'll say that forever. It's the best. There's no question, but like, if you don't believe in the best, that's your call, like whatever, you'll be loved by us. But that said, we aren't going out as Sean the Baptist to tell the Muslims that we have the best and it's through Christ.

No, but so that's the outer layer. Like the apologetic approach is what's different about a Yeshuan. Like they have to choose it. And that's not to say we won't say what we believe. If someone at a Sean the Baptist event asks what you believe, will you say it? I would say I believe that liberty and the right to believe as someone wants is the primary place to start.

Well, what do you believe? Well, what does it matter what I believe? I am talking about a principle that we are proffering forth to you to help bring a solution to something that has historically caused nothing that God, any of our gods seem to want. Okay. So at what time is it appropriate to then like claim what you believe? When someone says, I want to know more about this.

Okay. And then we have school and we have courses. So it's like a disposition. If they're like, why do you believe that aggro? Yeah. Then you're like, it doesn't matter. But if you're like, I'm interested in this and you're like, well, they're okay. So that's the things that we've done to help you understand.

Oh, do I have to believe these? Oh no. These are just to help you if you want to seek more. Yeah. It's a completely different apologetic approach, but it starts with bringing unity instead of disunity. So this is what it really is what you've been trying to say to Raise Your Christy students every since we started for years. And it's so it's been so hard to figure out how to do it.

It has. And we have this next one coming up and we i might fail again we're trying to do it i mean we're going to approach it in a unique and different way but but and by the way we appreciate the comments that all of you gave we had like 20 30 comments of people saying this and this and this and this and it was just uh emblematic of everybody having their own view that's the thing that i cannot get is that when you take 10 people who claim to all believe the same thing they don't yeah so i don't get why we have any division at all other than hey look no division we just say look

let's unite and you pursue as you want because that's the subject okay but like the the whole thing that these little apologists get in a tizzy about is that that is a position but that in itself and so it's like okay we you won that argue yeah like so that's what that but that's the thing that's what we've been trying to get at it's like they always get to that where they throw their hands up like you're saying a position and then saying positions don't matter and well it's like okay so what's our position our position

from theirs our position is that all positions are allowed like it's like uh all positions are allowed well that's it you won that argument that argument. Yes, it's a position. Fine, you're great. Yeah, okay. It is a position, but our position is all positions are allowed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so when you go down the route of trying to make it logical for an argument, that's when I say I don't even care about talking to you.

Mm-hmm. intention is to win the argument, to look smart instead of getting to something that actually works. And they aren't, they don't typically care about what works. That's what we're trying to do. Okay. So like maybe even deeper than the liberty is our care for our own liberty.

Like we have experienced this so heavily where we care so much about god like so earnestly each of us as individuals in our family and we've gone out and tried to like be that and people just shit on it like they're so and we're probably really sensitive too but we are because you've been beaten enough the dog's afraid of somebody with a whip. Yes. Like, and we're, we read it really like... We're sensitive.

Yeah. But it's real. Like anyone who's left a religion understands the sensitivity to cultural dynamics within religion. So it's real. It's how it works. It's how they keep power. It's, but, um, but the point is that we really care about God. And God is in places that religion says it's not. He's not. And, you know, let's like explore it and like allow God to be bigger than what freaking churches say he is.

Denominations. Yeah. And for the simple reason we think it's been proven that denominations, religion, brick and mortar and religious authority is all about power and money. Yeah. You know, they want to control. They have to control the narrative. They have to control the ideas because if they don't, then they're going to have people who say, oh, I go to the Mormon church on that week and then I go to the Baptist on that week and I go to the on this week, and they're like, no, we've lost control. We need your money.

We need your power. And I don't believe God's that way at all. Yeah. And so, yes, I do. And you do take our subjective family individual experience. And we do suggest that there's something that's better. And it comes from the subjective experience of individuals. that there's something that's better and it comes from the subjective experience of individuals but like you said it is a better way than what's been done before the collective is always about power and control the if the individual is led by the spirit of christ and where the spirit of

christ is there is liberty then people muslim budd, Islam, whatever, Christian, they will embrace Sean the Baptist's message. And they will show we have the spirit of Christ, even if we go to different denominations. So if you see a Mormon and a Baptist and a Buddhist and a Jew out in the desert, and they all say, we want to join this.

I know that they have the spirit of Christ in them, irrespective of their dogma. And this is what the goal is. Yeah. And that's like demonstration of what we believe is possible by Christ. Like what we believe Christ can do. Where there's love, there's Christ. Why can't we look at the world that way? That's honoring Christ more than being like, Christ, you know, this person doesn't believe in you. So he, you're not there. They don't believe in you. So you're not allowed to be there.

Go to hell. And you're not, can't be part of our church because you're a Buddhist or you're a gay or you're a this or that, or this or that, or this or that. We are saying, no, God wants us to be united in faith. Whatever that faith looks like. None of our faith is accurate. Not mine. I mean, we all have things that are off, right? Yeah.

If that's the case, then everybody's views are okay. So at this point, what part of this discussion because we ended in the last episode at like our work is of this world and I think that was a really helpful thing but like what part of liberty or apologetics like all of this it is an argument for this world is it not like it's an approach to how to function in this world together yeah would you argue that yeah because for the world to come we all have our own beliefs about what's going to matter that is subjective god has an objective reality that we don't know. And he knows what it is and we do not. So like, go as you're led. He's

the one who governs that. Okay. But as people of faith in this world, and as people who do side with the Christian model and do think Christ was God with us and all those things, what we say is we think in this realm, there's a better way to be his follower than what has been done and it's just for this realm yeah it doesn't carry over no that because what carries over is up to god not right yeah okay so we're not going to say what carries over i'm never going to say to anybody you Your way is not going to work.

For the simple reason the Spirit of Christ reigns in people, not the mortal Messiah. And there's such a difference between all of that. Christians are the followers of the mortal Messiah without license. But the Spirit of Christ reigns in the world because of his victory. And therefore, you could have someone who is theologically so far afield who can be as much of a Christian as somebody who reads the Bible every day. This is another step, but bottom line, it is for this world.

We're trying to make faith something that unifies people who desire to follow their God as the operative first outside of the jawbreaker approach right there. Do we offer other things that go deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper to a core to the point we will have a school in the future and we have lessons and courses that openly freely help people come to those things if they want.

And not dogmatically. Another step toward more healthy faith than non-healthy faith. Yeah. So we've talked a lot about truth, but I think like at the core, because we care so much about truth, and that has been what's driven this ministry is truth. Seeking for truth. Yeah. But so many people say they seek the truth and have a different opinion on that so like and that i think has been the hardest part of this journey so what our claim about truth is is that there are at the very least what we know is God allows people into parts of that truth.

And those could even be like opposite in how it manifests in this world. It's like there's an umbrella of truth and we each have our own little like point on that umbrella accessing it. That's the view of like what God's doing with us. Is that right? Yeah. And I would suggest borrowing from the old story is that if we have different truth-based denominations, you know, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, and they all blindly go in to find the truth and they're all standing around the elephant of truth. One is grabbing the horn. They have horns. One is grabbing the trunk. One

is grabbing the ear. One is grabbing the tail. And they all have a different approach to Christ. Christ is the elephant. Describe it differently. Yeah. Christ is the elephant. And we suggest this from our position. We suggest Christ is the elephant. We suggest Christ is the elephant. And we can back that up theologically and philosophically, how he is the elephant.

And we can also back up that it's not the material elephant that everyone's holding on to. It's an invisible element. It's the spirit of Christ that they're holding. I see. So therefore, the spirit of the same animal abides in people who have it and that's what i'm trying to that's what we're trying to get people to see is that a hindu who loves uncan loves in the way he or she does and seeks for liberty and is kind to everybody yeah the fruit of the spirit we don't ever say you've got the wrong God and you're going to hell. That is so stupid. Christ has had the victory in the hearts of all

people. He's reconciled us to the father. Second Corinthians 5, 18, 19. Done. But that love thing is what we, so let's get to this really fast because we don't have we probably have like a minute left love is we we said it's our it is subjective to a degree that this is our position and we're accountable for it and it's biblical and so that's where this like confusion from racier christy comes in is like how can you claim like why would you assert a biblical thing onto someone that doesn't believe in the bible and you allow them to not believe in

the bible you know we're not going to assert the love quotient because you've shown me how to do that uh it then codifies people into camps right and we have to leave the way they express their love up to them and God. Yeah. And we cannot mandate. We believe. We teach what the love looks like, but that's the people who want to know the process.

And we believe that love is what carries to the next realm. We do. We believe, yes. That's this thing where we have a belief of what will carry to the next realm we do we believe yes that's this thing where like we have a belief of what will carry to the next realm and that that's why we talk about it is that's what carries and we want what's what is eternal but we can't we don't know what carries and so that's why we can't assert it on somebody else, but we can teach them. Yes. And again, the teaching is like

secondary to the outreach. The outreach is based in what we think is God's heart for man. He sent his son for human beings. We don't say that as Sean the Baptist, but he did what was necessary. And we stand on faith as the primary thing whatever form it's coming in and you're responsible how that faith looks in your life you're responsible we don't dictate it but we do teach for people who want to get closer to the core what the bible actually says about the import of this love what it looks like and why we say when you embrace it it's the best approach to liberty on earth yeah yeah and that so what we're

teaching too is that because liberty is at the foundation and that means we're responsible that means we have to pursue all information to figure out what we believe that's why it's an educational model. It's open to take it all in. And we believe that when you open it and take it all in, you will arrive at a very viable solution being this fulfilled perspective on the Bible.

Like it really holds water when all things are taken into account. Like we can't be scared of the exploration of an individual. And that's what religion is scared of. Yeah. And association with the individual. That's all taken care of in our opinion by Christ. So there's no fear in being a religionist wants to still have an us versus them fear. Their children will convert to being Buddhist.

What the hell do you have to fear? If that's what your kid does, that's how they're led. They'll learn, they'll grow because God is that it's a position of faith that we promote in God to handle things, not us through religion. And it's very hard for people to understand, get, accept, And it's very hard for people to understand, get, accept.

But I do think it is introducing into people's minds a better way. I think this conversation has helped shape it. We're getting closer to being able to describe it. I agree. I would just also add for the audience, now if you want to get to the philosophical basis for it, watch last Sunday's Sunday Schooled and watch this Sunday's Sunday Schooled because then we're able to bring forth why we are able to think this way philosophically in the world today.

Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. All right. All right. Thanks for listening. We'll see you all next week. Bye, guys. Thanks for watching! We can do it all We can do it all you